ATG FLYWEIGHT TOURNIE: Round 1, Fight 6, Benny Lynch UD15 Willie Davies

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Who will win?

Poll closed Apr 20, 2020.
  1. Lynch

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  2. Davies

    36.4%
  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Another monstrous confrontation.

    Benny Lynch (seeded six) was a puncher. Not a darkening one, but nor just a stinging one, as Jackie Brown would no doubt attest after swallowing a flush, trapping right hand in the first round of their mid-1930s contest for a strap. Brown got up but he was never again in the fight. Lynch now deployed his left-hook, an even better punch, and Brown was sent to the canvas thrice more in the first. Keeping count of the knockdowns in the second round is difficult; the referee finally rescued the hapless Brown and Lynch had arrived. Elite flyweights Pat Palmer and Syd Parker followed in the trail of destruction, both succumbing to stoppages, the former falling short in a crack at Lynch’s strap. Despite his dominance, the title picture remained confused. Lynch righted it early in 1937 when he bested Small Montana, the only other man on the planet with a claim to the flyweight championship. Their fight was not one-sided. Montana was perhaps the only man to really stretch the primed flyweight Lynch and according to the United Press report he stretched him all the way to the final round where their toe-to-toe battle was settled in the Scotsman’s favor.

    He swaggered in the ring and launched sudden two-fisted attacks that sometimes seemed to have no end in front of crowds of forty-five thousand. He had it all.
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    Shifty, quick and armed with an iron jaw and clever defense, Willie Davies (seeded 11) served out his inevitable downfall up at bantamweight. At flyweight, in his glorious prime, the gold eluded him only by virtue of the glimmering company he kept. It’s a cliché because it’s true: the man was a champion in any other era.

    In his own he had a big problem, and the problem was Midget Wolgast. But Lynch's style is considerably different to that of Wolgast.
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    So what outcome do we see for these two iron jaws under the following rules?

    15 round fight.
    1950s referee.
    8oz boxing gloves.

    Cast your vote and explain yourself in a post below! You have 3 days.
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

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    Is there footage of Davies? I've never come across any. In his prime, Davis was capable of out-boxing both Newsboy Brown and Midget Wolgast, both of whom are unbelievable fighters and, imo, better than Lynch. Lynch doesn't really have a style which looks like it'd give a master boxer trouble, and it's not like he's a speed demon like Wolgast.

    Basically, he's relying on a punch, and against a man with iron as certified as Davies'... I don't like his chances. Davies can't punch to save his life, though. Which means Lynch could go balls to the wall and hammer him, winning rounds the good ol' fashioned way, but I don't think it'd be enough.

    Davies UD15.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Easy one for me this: Lynch will win, because he's Scottish.
     
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  4. Eye of Timaeus

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    Do you have a prediction who will this tournament McGrain?
     
  5. McGrain

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    Hmmm...northern European maybe?
     
  6. Mendoza

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    Davies was only stopped twice in 165 fights, and one of happened in his debut. On the record, I think he the better boxer and beat better men than Lynch did, so I'll pick him on points.

    On a side note, I think the days of Flyweights are over for Europe. Are there any men 108 pounds walking around in Europe these days?
     
  7. Jpreisser

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    Davies was fantastic and terribly underrated, but not impervious to aggressors. He lost to a few of them in his day, like Izzy Schwartz, who was very good, but not in Lynch's class. Willie was pretty tough, too, but he could be rocked and Lynch had a pretty good sock.

    Lynch, on the other hand, didn't fight a pure boxer of that caliber and his sort of wide-swinging and footwork don't appear equipped to handle a guy who moves often. Hard to say if he can get him in exchanges.

    I'll edge Davies but I'm not confident.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    24 hrs remain to vote on what would almost certainly be an absolute war.
     
  9. Man_Machine

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    Willie Davies is another great boxer, for whom I’m having to use records and writings, to make a judgment on this fantasy match-up. On that basis, I think it might be easy to consider Davies a greater fighter than Benny Lynch (although, my ATG Flyweights list currently has it the other way around).

    Davies does appear to have the bigger wins. Victories over the likes of Genaro, Wolgast, Black Bill, Newsboy Brown and Izzy Schwartz, amongst others, seem to outdo Lynch’s Jackie Brown, Palmer, Parker, Montana and Kane.

    That said, whilst Davies would never be crowned the Champion (stymied in 6 out of 7 meetings with Wolgast), Lynch forged a Unified Championship from scratch, over roughly two and a half years (if you include precursory bouts, which put him in contention for his first shot at a piece of the title, to begin with). During this time, I would reckon that Lynch was not entirely, but virtually unbeatable.

    So, I'm reminded as to why I have Lynch ahead of Davies in my ATG list and it’s probably for the same reasons why I also have a hard time imagining Davies beating a prime Benny Lynch.

    Close UD 15 victory for Lynch.
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

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    Permission to do this for the light-heavies?
     
  11. McGrain

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    Heeeeyyy you don't need my permission to take a glory division and recreate my format while I slave away in the lower reaches...or distract posters from the flyweight tournament with your easier, more populist invitational.

    If you think it's the right thing to do, you do it!
     
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  12. McGrain

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    15 minutes remain!
     
  13. George Crowcroft

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    Well I did!
     
  14. George Crowcroft

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    Why do all the mods speak like linguistical monsters? I'd rather make my own words up and sound cool. :cool:
     
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  15. McGrain

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    Well you're definitely succeeding at the former...