ATG Heavyweight Rankings

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  1. FoxyBoatman

    FoxyBoatman New Member Full Member

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    H2H P4P Heavyweights. I've incorporated a P4P criteria in these heavyweight rankings as I believe it is unfair to pit a 185 lb Marciano/200 lb Louis against 220 lb+ giants of later, though in a p4p sense these rank higher.
    1)Muhammad Ali
    2)Rocky Marciano
    3)Joe Louis
    4)George Foreman
    5)Joe Frazier
    6)Mike Tyson
    7)Larry Holmes
    8)Oleksandr Usyk
    9)Evander Holyfield
    10)Tyson Fury
     
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  2. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis
    Muhammad Ali
    Oleander Usyk
    Larry Holmes
    Evander Holyfield
    George Foreman
    Joe Louis
    Riddick Bowe
    Mike Tyson
     
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  3. FoxyBoatman

    FoxyBoatman New Member Full Member

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    No Frazier? No Marciano?
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Fun but impossible to do meaningfully I think.

    One thing where the p4p argument is concerned - it works both ways. Off Marciano is bigger he’s slower. If Lennox Lewis is smaller he is faster. And so on. Can Marciano really remain absolutely elite when being size adjusted for speed? He’s not the quickest to begin with.Workrate too.
     
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  5. FoxyBoatman

    FoxyBoatman New Member Full Member

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    I believe it is best to just take them at their natural size rather than adjusting them. Put simply is Marciano a better fighter at 185 than Lewis is at 240, and I believe he is.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I agree. But I think that goes all down the line. So Hagler was a better fighter than Ricky etc. Balance and coordination get harder and harder with size.

    Lewis would probably kill Marciano in a round though.
     
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  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    But that doesn't mean he wins.
     
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  8. FoxyBoatman

    FoxyBoatman New Member Full Member

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    Yes I agree H2H Lewis probably beats him, but in this ranking system p4p Marciano ranks higher.
     
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  9. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hmm. For me, it's probably....

    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Holmes

    Those are pretty much set in stone for me. Then....

    4. Lewis
    5. Johnson
    6. Dempsey
    7. Marciano
    8. Tyson
    9. Liston
    10. Foreman

    I don't know. Something like that.
     
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  10. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Again I don't see why Fury is on there and not Lewis Fury has only beat 3 ranked opponents where as Lewis beat 13 which is 4 times as many.

    Lewis is much more proven against tougher opposition and Fury has shown much more weaknesses against lesser opposition. For example arguably lost to McDermott a British level fighter, arguably lost to an MMA fighter, was down 4 times against Wilder who is very limited, and overall has been down 8 times in his career.

    I think it's ridiculous not to have Lewis in a top 10 H2H for Heavyweights when he was in the 2nd strongest Heavyweight era of all time and has one of the best resumes of any Heavyweight. Lewis was clearly the best of his era where as Fury clearly isn't the best of his era so again very baffling to me.
     
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  11. Jakub79

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    1 Joe Louis
    2 Muhammad Ali
    3 Mike Tyson
    4 George Foreman
    5 Larry Holmes
    6 Sonny Liston
    7 Vitali Kliczko
    8 Joe Frazier
    9 Lennox Lewis
    10 Wlad Kliczko
     
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  12. Mike Cannon

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    Hi Buddy.
    Welcome to the forum, and nice to see you hit the ground running, with a few interesting topics, as to this one, I am not quite across what you are trying to ascertain, but that's probably down to me, I do share @Dynamicpuncher bafflement tho, and to see a top ten HW list without Lewis is somewhat strange, also ( for me ) Usyk is not yet worthy of a place amongst the elite, good fighter that he is, the wins over AJ and Fury are indeed a good show, but then again I don't overly rate either up against the likes of Ali / Louis/ Holmes/ Lewis, and maybe a few others, it all seems to quick, when it comes to rating some HWs, or indeed lower weights, but that's just me I would imagine, anyway thanks for the post, and hopefully more to come.
    stay safe FB, chat soon.
     
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  13. Overhand94

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    Not counting heavyweights before Louis :
    Ali
    Louis
    Marciano
    Foreman/Holmes
    Tyson
    Holyfield/Lewis
    Frazier
    Wladimir Klitschko
     
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  14. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    1. Louis
    2. Ali
    3. Holmes
    4. Lennox
    5. Johnson
    6. Marciano
    7. Schmeling
    8. Holyfield
    9. Tyson
    10. Frazier
     
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  15. FoxyBoatman

    FoxyBoatman New Member Full Member

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    Your telling me Jack Johnson and Schmeling beat Tyson, Holyfield, Frazier? They get blown out their shoes by all three of them.
     
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