ATG? Juan Manuel Marquez?

I think all ten will easily beat Marquez in the ring. No amount of peds will save Marquez from 10 brutal 1st round KOs.

 

I disagree with your standards

 

I could argue against Vlad ...but I won’t good list

 

Aaron Pryor’s entire reputation is based on his fights with Arguello

 

Boxing has been going for so long that I find it ridiculous that only the top 100 would be ATGs. So even in another 500 years and so many great fighters to come they would not be ATGs just because they don't rank in the top 100? Nonsense.

 

I agree. Completely.

 

A great fighter but not an ATG.

 

...Can I have some of what you've been smoking please?

 

ATG in my book

 

My theory is that a lot of people overrate him because they enjoy the aesthetics of his aggressive counter-punching style and admire his intangibles (heart, will to win, etc.)

 

I think he was great, if not atg, it's harsh to say otherwise for me. If he falls short of the standard then so do Barrera and Morales. He had weaknesses no doubt, but other than imo besting Pac over 4 fights, he cemented his legacy as a great fighter to me rather ironically by what he achieved when he was actually no longer a great fighter above feather/super feather. His achievements at lightweight and above are historically little more than a footnote and have been heavily overrated in some quarters, but it was still remarkable that he did the biz there when so far past his own best being the smaller man. His prime was roughly something like 99 to 05 imo as a featherweight, he was already slightly in decline by the time of the Barrera fight.

It's been tedious down the years listening to fanatics like Robbi on here acting like no c*** who came before him ever had perfect punching form or textbook countering ability. Apparently throwing a lead uppercut from the outside was something that Marquez invented, not a staple of several great fighters who came before him. He also invariably got matched up favourably h2h time and time again with atg lightweights after stopping Casa and going through Katsidis, Diaz etc, not to mention free passes for the John and Norwood fights. I don't hold the Mayweather fight against him, it's Floyd's fans who need to give their heads a wobble for counting that fight as a great win when it was anything but.

I do like Marquez loads, still, and consider him great. He really had to grist his way to the top without the backing, favourable matchmaking and excessive hype granted to Barrera and Morales, and he did it quietly without complaint while being avoided and having to chip his way through the list of who-needs-him featherweights and sometimes unkind style matchups the likes of who Morales was cagily steered around after nearly losing to the average Espadas Jr.

He'll always retain my good will for putting Pac in his place too after Barrera tanked it and made Pac look like Duran, Armstrong and Kal-El all rolled into one.

 

Can I have an intelligent,and mature response to my comment?