ATG LHW Tourney - Round 1 - Archie Moore vs Bob Foster

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, Apr 19, 2020.


Who Wins?

Poll closed Apr 22, 2020.
  1. Moore Wins

    68.4%
  2. Foster Wins

    31.6%
  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    @McGrain you took to long to respond, sooooo... bollocks to ya!

    Before we get into the nitty-gritty of this premier match up, I wanna quickly explain the rules of this little tourney. #1 the guys who are pitted against one another are hand picked to get around the small problem, that most of them already fought eachother amongst themselves.

    All fights take place under early 50s rules, with a ref from the same era, over 15 rounds in an 18x18 foot ring between both men at their respective peaks.

    The winner of the whole thing faces the defacto Numero Uno... Ezzard Charles.
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    So here, in the first drawn fight, we have two of the most ferocious and dominant LHW champions ever. Archie Moore, the greater of the pair, is the first seed. Archie Moore in his prime had a diluted mix of ATG attributes. A slick, cross-arm guarded, counter puncher with ATG footwork and the ability to take it to his opponents, or work behind a nice jab. He took apart several ATGs, took power from ATG punchers, and fought the highest level of competition the boxing world has to offer. He also amassed a Godly amount of experience. His peak was between '47 and '49, during this stretch he beat ATGs like Jimmy Bivins, Bert Lytell, Jack Chase and Harold Johnson. Here's footage from that era of Moore.

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    Bob Foster on the other hand, was a wrecking ball. A walking, stalking, mean leaded menace. His right could ice a man too, but his left hand was where it was at. The closed off, angular footwork and awkward rhythm and off-key feints. Mumbo-Jumbo, boxing jargon aside, Foster was a tricky fecker and could let go a bullet-like punch. His style was hard to define. He was a boxer puncher at heart, but wasn't inclined to box off the back-foot, but rather pressure with strange lankiness and long jab. In his early days, he lost to a couple HW contenders, and a talented fellow named Mauro Mina before emerging as a top LHW, and losing to another HW contender. It was from that point where he'd keep the reigns on, and decimate the next 9 years of the LHW division. His performance vs Quarry and Tiger are renown for the savagery in which Bob ended them.

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    There's already currently a thread going on this, by @Richard M Murrieta, but that includes a past it Moore, and I'd like a prime one, and it's the first in a series of threads. Apologies for the inconvenience of having two.

    So who wins? Also, no explanation, no vote. :thumbsup:
     
  2. Dance84

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    Moore by Knockout . Moore has the toughness roy doesn't
     
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  3. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd pick Moore here. He was more durable, both physically and mentally. On top of that, he had more experience and would likely figure Foster out.

    The problem for Bob is that I don't think he'd outjab Old Mongoose and prime LHW Moore didn't lack handspeed to counter him time and time again.
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    @Rumsfeld you read the rules...
     
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  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Moore plays a waiting game, poking and prodding with that solid left of his while Bob gets off to a good, fast start from the outside with his rangier left while attempting to sharp-shoot with the right. It ends in the 8th when Moore finally gets inside and roughs up Bob before ending it.
     
  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I agree with Scar, Moore can wait for Foster to come to him and play a countering game. Foster is gonna walk him down, pumping his jab and looking for a left hook but Moore ain't gonna sit there, he's gonna dip at the waist and get under punches; twisting his full body into power shots. Whereas Foster's length is eventually gonna work against him as Moore gets inside.

    Moore's ability to pick his punches and avoid straight shots, and Foster's active jab, would let Moore take his time and eventually land clean. Moore would also be able to jab with Foster, he'd just have to get his timing right. Once he does (land clean, that is), he'd flip his style round and fight how he did vs Nino, and look to finish Foster off. A finisher like Moore vs Foster's chin? Yeah, I like his chances.

    Moore KO8/9ish
     
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  7. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Moore. Is is simply the more complete fighter. Sure Foster has the power to change things but I think Moore would be the safer bet due to his versatility.
     
  8. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You had a typo George because the defacto #1 Light-Heavyweight is Gene Tunney. A man who would outbox Snooks 10 out of 10xs.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

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  10. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Moore by stoppage. Foster didn't use his height and reach all that well, preferring to bend down and in a lot of the time in an attempt to bait his opponent. That ain't gonna fly here. This isn't an undersized D/ck Tiger or Andy Kendall we're talking about in there with him.
     
  11. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Apparently I did not.

    I believe Archie Moore would win because I think he's a more complete boxer who would be able to effectively control the range more often than not.
     
  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    More or less the same for me, I'll probably have the next match up later tonight.
     
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  13. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Archie's superior ring iq would be the difference. He'd adapt better and make Bob think more than he'd be comfortable with.
     
  14. andrewe

    andrewe Ezekiel 33 banned Full Member

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    Prime for prime, I'm going with Foster. I think Archie would have trouble with the larger man, and Foster is strong enough to hurt Moore (just as Moore would be strong enough to hurt Foster) but I think Foster would be tough enough to take most of what Archie gives him. There's my explanation.

    Also, @George Crowcroft if you wouldn't mind posting a picture of the tournament bracket? I'd be interested to see. It would probably be harder to type it into the forum, and easier to make a graphic in MS Paint or whatever. Looking forward to this tournament.
     
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  15. mburr

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    Think this could go either way but edge to Moore as he is the more adaptable fighter!