ATG LHW Tourney - Round 1 - Gene Tunney vs Roy Jones Jr

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, Apr 20, 2020.


Who Wins?

Poll closed Apr 23, 2020.
  1. Tunney Wins

    36.7%
  2. Jones Wins

    63.3%
  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Ohhhhh sheet... this is a good-un!

    I've been over how the tourney works, twice, and it's not that complicated anyway. If you really need to know, I'll let you know but I'm gonna skip that section from here on in. The rules of the fight however, are that these two are at their peaks, in a 15 round contest, with the ruleset and referee from the 50s, in an 18 foot ring.
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    The Fighting Marine, seeded 4th, was a boxer master from a truly golden era of 175lbs talent. The competition level was truly insane, fighting guys like Tommy Loughran, Harry Greb, Battling Levinsky, Leo Houck, Tommy Gibbons, Johnny Risko ect. ect. Point being, Tunney beat some bloody good fighters. Gene was a classy out-boxer, with a sharp emphasis on his lead hand, as a jab and to the body. His chin was iron, and his will was unwavering. Despite fighting the Murderer's Row which he did, was never dropped at light-heavyweight. He had a decent punch, too. His uppercut to the solar plexus which put Carpentier out of it was gorgeous. Linked below. His natural aptitude and a thinker's affinity for fighting made him particularly dangerous. If there was a gale in your game, you could bet your sweet ass that Tunney knew about it. And was planning on exploiting it.
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    But across the ring from him, stands RJJ... Roy Jones Jr. The 1990s FOTD, The most athletic freak the boxing world ever saw, and one of the few guys who has attributes Tunney never saw. Jones' speed was otherworldly, no one saw that ****, and Tunney isn't an exception. Looking at what Jones was able to do, how he dismantled both Toney and Hopkins, before dissecting division after division in his prime, you have to immediately give the man credit. Whilst he may look like he has superpowers, he was far from superman. Jones definitely had a flaw in his chin area, and could be a little unorthodox, but with that mixture of speed, accuracy, reflexes and timing is something which cannot be ignored.
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    So, with all that being said, how does this one go down? No Post, no vote. :thumbsup:
     
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  2. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    I like tunney but i gotta give it to roy .... Roy beats him in a close fight and picks up enough rounds in the early rounds and late rounds to beat tunney in a close fight . tunney has his moments however
     
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  3. andrewe

    andrewe Ezekiel 33 banned Full Member

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    Few boxers in history would beat a Prime Jones. Gene would give him a good fight, probably one of if not the best fight 90s Jones ever had, but he won't be able to beat him. I won't say Roy knocks him out, since Gene Tunney has never been knocked out, but Roy wins the decision. The only person to beat Tunney was Greb, and Roy is a better fighter than Greb.
    Roy is a modern athlete, would be faster and stronger than Tunney but Tunney does have a 2 inch reach advantage. Perhaps he could pull off a miracle? 65-1ain't nothing to take lightly, especially when the competition he beat is taken into account.

    Either way, Roy is my heavy favorite. I'd bet on him.
     
  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    **** I expected to be the outlier here with a pick for Jones.
     
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  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Jones by decision. Not a easy win for him but he's a clear winner.
     
  6. Bonecrusher

    Bonecrusher Lineal Champion Full Member

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    Jones on points he’s just too fast, his fantastic reflexes will keep him outa harms way. Tunney is no slouch and is pretty quick handed but I think Jones’s style will be a puzzle Gene doesn’t solve. Jones will leap in and out and score enough points to take a clear decision.
     
  7. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am a huge Roy Jones fan. And, Jones may be the better fighter overall. But, not at 175. I will take Tunney by decision or possibly late knockout if it is scheduled for 15. These other greats at 175 are just a lot more durable than Roy. And, in spite of Roy's hand speed advantage, Tunney has the smarts to set traps for Roy.
     
  8. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jones was a phenomenal fighter but people forget he was superior at 160 and 168 than he was at 175 where he was dropped by del Valle and was getting outboxed by Montell Griffen (although he was making a late comeback and seemed on the verge of stopping Montell) because the late punches that disqualified him. I have to go with Tunney here. Just a better 175 pounder.
     
  9. andrewe

    andrewe Ezekiel 33 banned Full Member

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    Good post
     
  10. Bonecrusher

    Bonecrusher Lineal Champion Full Member

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    Jones beat Griffin in about 2 minutes in their rematch about 5 months later.

    He won every second of the fight against Lou Delvalle with the exception of the flash knock down.

    Jones in my eyes dismantled all the Light Heavyweights he faced just as effectively as he had the lower weight classes. It was only after he went up to Heavyweight and dismantled Ruiz and then came back down to Light Heavyweight that he finally started to show signs of his age, deterioration, and began to slow down. I think the first fight with Tarver, a struggle showed he had a lot of moxie. He fought his ass off down the stretch of that fight, and probably pulled it out in the championship rounds. He was in a real fight there something that he was never really in in his prime because he was so athletically gifted and so much better than everyone else.
     
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  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Tunney, Jones is overated.
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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  13. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Everything you said here is true. But that doesn't change the fact that-I'm going to repeat myself here- he was dropped by Lou delValle and was getting outboxed by Montell Griffen before the disqualification. I personally don't rate either one of them particularly highly. Perhaps you do? Tunney lost one fight in his career (decision) to a fellow that many rate as the greatest ever p4p ever- although I personally can't because I, like everyone else, have never seen fight. Putting Roy Jones #1 all time head to head at middle or 168 (even though he hadn't many fights there) is plausible. But at 175? Neither his resume nor his performances indicate that. A case can be made for Tunney there, though.
     
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  14. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In a 15 round fight Tunney will catch Roy and knock him out. Tunney could fight,
     
  15. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This & easily at that.
     
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