ATG LHW Tourney - Round 1 - Tommy Loughran vs Billy Conn

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, Apr 22, 2020.


Who Wins?

Poll closed Apr 25, 2020.
  1. Loughran Wins

    33.3%
  2. Conn Wins

    66.7%
  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Geez! What a technical masterpiece we'd be treated to here. And which eliminates of these two huge players from the tournament.

    In the red corner, we have Mr. T Loughran, seeded #4, and a top 5 LHW of all time. Unbelievable résumé, and one of the greatest title runs a fighter ever had in this glory division. His wins over McTigue, Greb, Stribling, Risko, Walker, Slattery, Braddock, Baer, Uzcudun, Sharkey ect. are NOT to be scoffed at. It's a damn fine résumé, and the man is a top 20 P4P fighter imo. Thing is, it gets even more impressive. The guy is often referred to as the best pure-boxer to grace the squared circle. In his fight with Braddock, you can see his parrying, slipping and positioning clearly. His ring generalship is legendary, and so is his defence and chin, but his real calling card? It's his ATG jab. Quite possibly the best. Ever. As an upright stylist, he needed some form of long offence, and he used his patented jab, snapping it in and using it to soundly set up his drawing right hands. He didn't shy away from stiff arms and shoves. He had a fair in fighting game, and is able to work the body and tie fighters up, but he preferred the fight at range. Have a gander.
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    And in the blue corner, we have 'Irish' Billy Conn. A top 15 LHW, and the man who flummoxed the great Joe Louis before being put the chopping block. A speed demon of the highest order, and one who was remarkably tough too. Conn's unorthodox movement of both head and foot, combined with his speed made him akin to a LHW Pep of sorts. He was however, fairly small. A tall, skinny fellow who weighed in more as a MW and SMW in his career than a LHW, but don't be fooled; 'that's is a guy who fights heavyweights'. A fighter with wonderful footwork and nice work defensively, but his game-plan was more of a spoiler tactic. He didn't throw much, but he did throw just enough, and took rounds by making you look awful. He looked amazing here.
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    Who wins? No post, no vote. :thumbsup:
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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  3. andrewe

    andrewe Ezekiel 33 banned Full Member

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    Would be a great fight. I pick Loughran, I think he would outbox Conn and land lots of counters to win the decision. By boxrec KO%, it seems neither had great power, so I don't expect a KO to happen but you never know.

    edit: It seems people don't like following the "no explanation, no vote" rule, 5 votes and I'm the only one who has so far explained.
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

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    I tend to pick Loughran here. His left was snappy enough to stack points against Conn, who I think he'd out-work. He wouldn't be chasing Conn, and would be able to out-box him at long range whereas Conn isn't able to do what he normally did. Conn would have to lead, and I don't think he does it well enough to take Loughran on points, especially if Loughran can beat Walker, Greb and Uzcudun when they tried to come at him.

    To be honest, I find Conn to be quite overrated, and Loughran to be woefully underrated. Conn's performance vs Louis is amazing, but let's not forget that Louis came in under 200lbs to purposefully hinder himself and was severely overworked. Look at what happened in the rematch. That's what the best Louis does to Conn every time.
     
  5. salsanchezfan

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    I picked Loughran. I could see him frustrating Conn more than I can see it the other way around.
     
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  6. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Conn. Not gonna go into one of my usual massive breakdowns, but I feel Loughran's poised, economical classical stance is a bit too straight up for the speed and intuitive left of Conn, and would end up getting tagged repeatedly, where he would then try to make it more of a slow paced, spoiler-ish fight. Loughran has the superior IQ but Conn is comparable and has a bigger speed advantage.

    Conn close decision.
     
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  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Agreed. Conn was extremely elusive and could throw punches from bell to bell. The fight he gave Louis was exceptional.
     
  8. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    A great fight between two great favorites of mine....how's that for a classic cop-out?
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm going with Conn here. In a fight like this neither of these two would be sitting on the outside. Back in their day even the boxers had to entertain or they wouldn't be asked back. I see Conn out-fighting him on the inside.
     
  11. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I actually prefer Loughran here. Conn would be tricky and he would win most early rounds based on his quickness, but Tommy's experience would start to become key factor in later rounds. He would figure out Conn and start to outbox him. Unlike other fighters, Conn didn't have enough power to keep Loughran defensive all night long.

    Loughran by very close, disputed decision.
     
  12. George Crowcroft

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  13. George Crowcroft

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    "In yet another tactical masterpiece from the LHW tournament, 'Irish' Billy Conn beat The Philly Phantom by 15 round majority decision. The start was a torrid, slow round which was thoroughly dominated by Loughran's jab, however Conn started bouncing around, picking his spots and neutralising Tommy's offence. It wasn't his power which put Loughran into a shell, but he speed and skill. It was a glorious battle where both men exhibited skills and smarts beyond belief. Conn's plan was more properly executed, and he took enough rounds from his height advantage to take it. Loughran's jab and ability made it intensely close, but only those aligned with Loughran thought he won."

    The first judge ruled it 143-142 in favour of Loughran, but he was over ruled by the other two judges who had it 9-4-1 for Conn.


    Conn advances to the quarterfinals, and joins the ranks of Moore, Jones and Greb.
     
  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Not an expert on either man but Conn seems like the more well-rounded fighter to me. I wish we had more footage on him.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    Too late but the poll went the way i was going to vote.

    I'm going Conn. He a little bit more dynamic and as good as Loughran's jab is i can't see it being the difference against a boxer of Conn's ilk and versatility. Loughran will look a little stiff and upright at various times here and Conn will win the majority of inside exchanges with workrate and speed. He really let his hands go inside with great accuracy and enthusiasm.

    A stoppage here is virtually impossible as both are light handed while being extremely durable and skillful.

    Conn decision.