ATG Middleweight Chin Tier list-The Top Forty

Hey Steak. Thanks for response. I actually think we agree to an extent. I'm saying that making 160 affected his durability as you are, too.

I think where we differ is that I think it affected his ability to fully withstand one shot, albeit a peach of a shot. If I've understood correctly, you are saying it affected his overall endurance - which I agree with, too.

And yes, I think his defence improved as he went up in weight but I firmly believe his chin got better too. Reggie Johnson really shook him with that one punch at 160. Does that same chin from that fight survive the bombs of Rahman or Peter?

I know his defence got better but he still took some heavy hits at the higher weights. Sadly, his speech today is testament to that. And yet he never looked in any serious trouble. The only time in his career Toney ever looked badly hurt was in the Johnson fight.

I still think that making middleweight depleted him to the point where his chin was affected. So, let's say Tiger was Titanium at 160 but Iron or less as he rose in weight and faced bigger men, Toney was the opposite as he fought at a weight he was more comfortable with.

 

Nunn was dropped in the first fight against Cordoba, part of the reason that win was controversial. Only against Toney did he seem genuinely hurt by a KD.

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He could be tough to hit sometimes, but I think he got tagged flush often enough for his chin to earn at least a solid rank. The guys who dropped him were not a powerful lot on the whole, so I'd have a hard time calling him great. Solid's probably the way to go.

 

I just think he was not as defensively sound earlier in his career as he was in the higher weight classes later on. He was always a great counter puncher but as a middleweight he definitely was a more attacking fighter which made him more vulnerable. Factor in how weakend he was trying to make 160 ( he was a 200 pound football player in high school) and you got a compromised fighter.

 

Solid is the highest that I can go with the incredibly talented yet flawed Nunn.

 

Nunn - Solid
RJJ - Solid

 

Two words.

Julian. Jackson.

Titanium.

 

I am going to go against what will be the grain and label McCallum iron at 160. I have zero problems with titanium and expect that will be the result. He was rocked hard at least once against Curry and reeling near the end of one of the Toney bouts. He was rocked hard against Jackson but he's in the convo for biggest one punch banger ever and McCallum came back, albeit muchly due to skill and experience. I just don't think he's quite as good as our current titaniums.

 

McCallum has to be titanium for me. I can see how his excellent technique, conditioning, style and overall ability could have elevated the idea of his chin a bit, but still titanium.

 

McCallum is titanium for me. He chin certainly benefited from being on the head of one of the most technically sound fighter's that ever lived but with that said, he could take a shot.

 

How about Marvin Hagler, Harry Greb and Joe Calzaghe?