ATG Middleweight Chin Tier list-The Top Forty

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  1. Man_Machine

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    Nunn is a clear 'Solid'
    McCallum can't be anything but 'Titanium'
     
  2. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe you can include Amir Khan in the list - just to take the edge off the Jones rating.
     
  3. AwardedSteak863

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    The left hook that Jackson rocked McCallum with in the first round caught him right on the temple and for about 15 seconds he was wobbly but clearly thinking his way through the situation. Jackson lost the fight right then and there. He couldn't hit McCallum any harder than that and as a knockout fighter like Jackson, I can't think of a worse feeling than hitting a guy with your best shot and having him walk through it.

    It would be interesting to see how many of the other 160 Titanium guys could have got through that moment. All my years of watching boxing, I never saw a better puncher than Jackson and he didn't lose again for another seven years after the McCallum fight.
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

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    Yeah i have no argument against titanium and did predict it. I'll be the odd one out i reckon.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

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    Seconded.

    Nunn had a decent chin I think, but has suffered from the Toney loss as people seemed to forget it was his only stoppage loss. He didn't fight many punchers, and was probably KOed by the best of them, but I think he took enough shots off guys like Barkley and Sosa to say it was serviceable.

    McCallum took some huge shots off some huge punchers, too. Jones and Jackson between them could've knocked an elephant out but not McCallum. Certified Titanium.
     
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  6. AwardedSteak863

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    No problem with that. It's tough to evaluate because there are so many factors like strength of competition, defensive skill and fighting style.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    McCallum remains open for discussion, not that there seems to be much disagreement, but how about Randy Turpin? 66-8-1 and stopped on five occasions. He was ktfo by light-heavyweight Yolande Pompey; battered about the ring and stopped in four by light-heavyweight Gordon Wallace; stopped at MW by Ray Robinson in full flow; was battered about the ring and repeatedly dropped before quitting against Jean Stock; and was stopped in one round by Tiberio Mitri shortly after he surrendered his title. On the other hand he rather famously went the distance with Sugar Ray on another occasion, as well as surviving (and beating) some rather decent bigger men including DOn Cockell. Where does Randy lie?

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  8. AwardedSteak863

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    Turpin is simply solid for me. There is no shame in being knocked out by Robinson but I don't see any reason to rate him higher than that especially with him getting in the first round by Mitri.
     
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  9. Drew101

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    A couple of flash KD's at LH, and a questionable KD at the weight are really all the blemishes against him. Was briefly wobbled by Jackson at 154, but roared back to stop him in a hurry.

    Gotta go titanium in this case.
     
  10. George Crowcroft

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  11. McGrain

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    Alright alright alright, I think we'll just put Mike in Titanium; he's due a little more time, but given the broad agreement I think it is fair. And it let's me open up another one overnight (for me). This thread will be paused next week as i've got an absolutely ridiculous real life week coming up, but I will pick it up again this time next week, and add a couple tomorrow.

    Just the two opinions on Randy Turpin - i'll ad that I agree with the Solid ranking for three. It's probably not wholly accurate as Turpin had one of those weirdly inconsistent chins but I think Solid is the closest capture for our purposes.
     
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  12. McGrain

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    How about Georgie Abrams? 48-10-3, three stoppage loses.

    Two of those stoppage loses were in the final 6 months of his career - Anton Raadik kicked the absolute hell out of him up at LHW (166lbs), beating his ass for ten and then knocking him down three times in the final two rounds of his last ever fight - Steve Belloise did the same thing at MW a few months before that. This was all post his 10 round loss to Robinson, which was not a popular decision - as well as Robinson, Abrams survived Raadik in an earlier fight (10), Belloise (10) in an earlier fight, Marcel Cerdan (10), Tony Zale (15) and many very good fighters who couldn't punch, too. The kicker though is the brutal KO loss to one Jimmy Jones earlier in his career - sounds like he caught lightning in the bottle but he also KTFO Abrams.

    I'm biased because I love Abrams, I love that guy, he was fearless, aggressive without being silly (Robinson complained bitterly about how difficult he was to hit like he hadn't seen everything there was to see in the ring) and he'd cross the street to tussle with the Murderer's Row (draw with Burley was BS though). An admirable man who I'm very interested in.

    I'm interested where you boys land him on the chin tier also?

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  13. Greg Price99

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    Abrams was stopped aged just 19 vs the unremarkable Jimmy Jones.

    He wasn't stopped in his next 41 fights, over more than 9-years, despite facing decent or better punchers Charley Burley, SRR, Tony Zale, Lou Broulliard, Steve Belloise and Marcel Cerdan.

    Belloise later stopped him, as did Anton Raadik, though they were 2 of his last 3 fights, his surviving of respectable puncher Fred Apostoli sandwiched between the 2.

    Its possible his excellent defense was hiding a less than iron chin during his 9-year prime run, but I'll give him the benefit of doubt and say 41-fights without being stopped against that quality of decent+ punching opposition, means he just scrapes into iron territory for me.
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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  15. McGrain

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    Turpin solid indeed.