ATG Middleweight Chin Tier list-The Top Forty

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    But what are you boys going to do about Emile Griffith? 85-24-2 with two stoppage losses, another one who only got got by Monzon. I think if we do some other weight divisions we'll be seeing the mighty Griffith in a titanium argument, but what about at MW? Down against Minter, Benvenuti, and beat up by Monzon, where does that leave the man from the Virgin Islands at 160lbs?

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  2. Frankus

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    Griffith at solid/iron for me.

    This is getting more difficult. I thought Rubin Carter also inflicted a quick KO on Griffith too?
     
  3. McGrain

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    Sure did. Does that see him demoted to Solid you think?
     
  4. McGrain

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    Worth pointing out that if you nominate a guy in two categories without plumping for one or the other, I just sort of ignore you.
     
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  5. Frankus

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    :biggrin: Well I’ll go iron for Griffith then.
     
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  6. Drew101

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    Stone chin on Emile, but not quite granite. I dunno, maybe shale?

    It's not an official category but Emile is the poster boy for falling in between solid and iron categories.

    Gun to head, would probably say solid, though.
     
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  7. Journeyman92

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    Griffith is a lock for Iron to me, but it’s hard to tell because he was good at not being hit. To me if you’re only KO losses come from a Sunday punch at the hands of Carter or a beating from Monzon who contests for 1# 160lber you’ve got whiskers. I know we shouldn’t consider their 147lbs work but early in his career he fought Florentino Fernandez a TV fighter through and through really a big middleweight, a huge bull who went on to splatter LHW champion Jose Torres - Griffith had a year and a half of professional practice, still hadn’t fully developed into a capable inside fighter and took some evil shots in that one trying to figure it out. Highly suggest watching Emile’s very early stuff.
     
  8. AwardedSteak863

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    I'm going solid for Emile. I think his defensive skill was more of a factor in his low ko against percentage than his chin.
     
  9. Greg Price99

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    No question Griffiths would be iron at WW and even at LMW.

    I could see him at solid or iron at MW.

    To avoid sitting on the offence, I'll plump for solid. Carter could hit, but that KO1 hurts him here.
     
  10. George Crowcroft

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    I could see an argument for Iron, but Solid seems to fit well.
     
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  11. mcvey

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    Top Tier.
    His style was so uncompromisingly physical,he was usually in his opponents wheelhouse.
     
  12. mcvey

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    Griffith's was solid the Carter blow out was probably an anomaly but it cannot be discounted.
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Lytell gave lumps of weight away to lhvy's ,some as good as Doc Williams,Moore ,and Johnson.Probably his chin was top drawer.Golovkin has met some excellent bangers,he too is top drawer. You are making this very tough with your picks!
    The problem I have when assessing chins is to take into account the fighter's style .Is he a defensive cutie who rarely has to absorb the full impact of a shot? Or is he perhaps an easier guy to tag, like say Lamotta? Duran had a fine set of whiskers but how much was that due to him being able to turn his head and lessen the impact? Hope I'm not muddying the waters here?
     
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  14. McGrain

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    Very close but i'lll pop Emile into Solid. I think that makes the most sense, he has a good chin and can hold a lot of MW shots but it's not an elite MW chin I don't think. It appeals too that he is in the same tier as Nino, they swapped knockdowns and wins after all.
     
  15. McGrain

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    Prepare yourselves!

    This guy suffered one knockdown in a looong career, in his very last fight, but like Emile it was suffered in the first round. Mike O'Dowd's legs were broke by a right to the chin from Jock Malone. Prior to that, over ten years and 117 bouts fought to a crazy schedule, O'Dowd survived a massive squad of wonderful fighters and some serious punchers. O'Dowd had the reputation of a clever fighter despite his aggressive style, maybe along the lines of a Mickey Walker, easy to hit but hard to hit clean, something like that - what you going to do with this guy?

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    Could get a look at him here for an idea of style thanks to fleaboxing.
     
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