ATG Rank: Pacquiao, Canzoneri, Ross, McLarnin

You're absolutely right, but Broulliard is the only HoF'er McLarnin fought that he doesn't hold a win over. I only listed the HoF'ers he has wins against :good

 

But can't you see we can also do the same with Pacquaio.

His best win was arguably against an ill perpared slighty past prime Barrera, A shadow of Morales who was coming of a UD loss to Raheem. A weakend Cotto at a catchweight (Freddies words, "the weaker he is the better"), And a Smaller weight drained ODLH.

So in reality Pacquaios best wins are against Ledwaba, Larios, Solis & Hatton. Of course i can always remind you of the gift he got against Marquez.

 

How is a close fight a gift? I saw the marquez fight live and i didnt see no robbery. Barrera was p4p and pac was unknown, not pac's fault that barrera blew it and got tooled. Yeah barrera was slightly past it in 2003, haha yeah right, 2 years before this he tools hamed and right after this fight he whoops ayala, but i have to put up with the "he was past it bull****", always an excuse when a great fighter loses when hes still young. No one was calling him shot before the fight, we always like to create our own revionism here on esb.

Cotto is naturally 30 pounds heavier than pacquiao, he blew it, i dont care about that excuse. De La Hoya was literally fight guys half his size, pacquiao was fighting guys naturally bigger than him. Oh my god, cotto came into the fight at 145 pounds, how weakened he must have been, it must be a huge disadvantage against someone that fought at 122-130 is whole career, lol. Pac thrashed cotto, deal with it. I always hear the phrase "oscar lost all of his big fights". Correct me if i'm wrong, but when has that phrase ever been applied to Manny Pacquiao. Oh yeah that's right, he wins all of his big fights, so he doesn't need excuses to be made for him.

Eric Morales was only world class until the age of 29, thats why pac is better than him all time.

There is a reason De La Hoya will be ranked much lower than pacquiao in an all time sense. When he beat camacho and chavez ,they were fossils and not even in the p4p rankings. All of these fighters that pac beat were in the p4p rankings except de la hoya and morales, big difference.

The Cotto, Hatton and Clottey that Pac fought would have all beaten morales, mab or jmm. PAC is simply on another level compared to these guys. Heck barrera at the age of 34 is not capable of beating amir khan. Pacquiao is turning 32 in a few months and i dont see him losing to an amir khan caliber opponent at the age of 34.

 

Don't have a specific list, but I would imagine:

Ross - Top 15
Canzoneri - Top 25
McLarnin - Top 30
Pacquiao - 30-35

 

Pac should have lost the first JMM fight. The second one could have gone either way.

Pac is the best today but still ain´t no Jimmy McLarnin. :bart

 

Well i guess we can agree on one thing, he's at least the best today. He did something roy jones jr wouldnt do, fight everybody.

 

Apart from anbody decent at 135. Or Cotto at his natural weight. Or De La Hoya why he was still alive. Apart from that. :smile

 

So your actually justifying cotto's excuse, even though he weighed 145 pounds and was probably over 150 at fight time. Oh no, he had to lose those might two pounds. Please remind me when floyd mayweather or pac lose to someone half thier size.

Cotto got exposed, pac kicked his ass.

Can you name me another former flyweight champ that fights better competition smart ass?

Which heavyweights and cruiserweights did roy jones beat? The might jonh ruiz.

 

First off all 2 years is a long time in boxing, you can't claim Barrera wasn't past his prime because he beat Hamed 2 years before his fight with pacquaio, that doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense to me.

I didn't even say he was 'shot, but again you leave holes in your logic. Off course nobody was gonna be saying he is shot before the fight, you don't find out what a fighter has left until he is in the ring. So unless you have some crystal ball you have to wait until you see what happens during the fight to give your opinion on how far he's gone.

Tho without doubt the funniest part of your post is when you try an claim Cotto is naturally 30 pounds bigger than Pacquaio. So just because Pacquaio boils down to 122 lbs an beats up smaller men, you claim that was his natural weight?! Have you any idea what Pacquaios walking around weight was when he was fighting at 122-130 range? I'll tell you, He was coming into the ring as a welterweight around the 140-146 range. And now you're trying to tell me when Cotto was a light welter he was coming into the ring at 170 lbs, get the **** outta here man. lol

I've already touched on why Oscar 'lost most of his biggest fights'. He has arguably took tougher fights than Pacquaio. **** Pacquaio wouldn't even get in the ring with a faded Sugar Shane never mind a prime version. Do you honestly believe Pacquaio has ever took a bigger challange than Prime Tito?

Now i'm not saying Oscar should rank higher than Pacquaio, i'm just putting the number of belts won in as many wight classes into perspective. (the reason casual fans rank Pac so high)

 

Pacqauio started his career as a flyweight and beat the world champat that weight class. When was the last time cotto fought below 140? Even trying to suggest they are the same size is the biggest joke i have ever heard.

 

Look i don't know as much as Freddy Roach knows about how cutting pounds effects fighters, but if 2 pounds doesn't make a difference what was the point in the catchweight in the first place? Why was Freddy glued to the scales during the Cotto weigh-in and saying things like 'the weaker he is the better' during the biuld up?

I'm pretty sure a day doesn't pass were Cotto plays out the fight in his head what it would've been like if he was allowed to weigh in at the proper welter limit. I'm pretty confident he won't be taking anymore catchweight fights. Freddy seemed to think Cotto couldn't even make 145lbs, so god knows what it took out of him trying to make it. Maybe its just coincidence Pacquaio was able to walk through his punches.

 

So what if he started at Flyweight, people grow, Jimmy McLarnin was once a flyweight, are you trying to tell me Jimmy McLarnin was a Flyweight when he won the Welterweight world title?

Cotto was at 140lbs when Pacquaio was in the 122-130 range. Pacquaio was coming into the ring as a welterweight then 140-145, but seeing you think Cotto was 30lbs bigger than Pac, that means you think Cotto was coming into the ring over 170lbs as a lightwelter.

 

He's naturally smaller than other welterweights like ray robinson, leonard and hearns. LOL, its like im talking to a brick wall, you just dont get it do you.

 

Im sure you have an excuse for every win pacquiao has, i hate talking to douchebags that love to discredit every win. If cotto thought it would be a huge disadvantage, then why did he agree to the fight smart guy, lol he thought he was gonna toy with pacquiao, but he got his ass kicked.

 

I don't see how me pointing out your obvious mistakes means i'm discrediting Pacquaio.

This all started by me doing the same thing to pac that you did to Oscar.

The only fight i don't give Pac credit for is the Oscar fight, an even then, thats in no way Pacquaios fault.

Damn i was forever backing up Pacquaio against the Hatton heads who tried to discredit Pacquaio then by saying Hatton was shot. imo the way Pacquaio dealt was Hatton is one of the most if not the most impressive thing i've seen from Pac.

Edit- And i had Marquez winning the 2nd fight, but again as you said, it wasn't no robbery, both fights could've gone either way but i do believe it was abit of a gift and a 3rd fight was needed.