ATG status? Should multiple belts mean...

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  1. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    that much when determining all time great status??? I ask this b/c I feel that the champions of this generation have gotten many belts in different weight classes, but they never really fought/fight the best at that weight class. I think the most important thing should be who you fought and beat.

    Alot of people say Roy Jones is ATG, yet complain about his resume and Floyd Mayweather is an ATG. While both of these fighters are the best skilled during their respective primes, their level of competition has always been very questionable once they both started moving up in weight class.

    What do you guys think?
     
    jlrivera81, Aug 30, 2007
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  2. dave82

    dave82 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I believe Roy Jones is an ATG. If PBF defeats Hatton in a convincing manner i will rate him an ATG
     
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  3. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd already is.... Beating Hatton will just rank him higher.
     
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  4. El Bombasto

    El Bombasto Ask yo momma Full Member

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    there's no official rankings, it's all a matter of opinion, and for the most part an exercise in absurdity
     
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  5. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Yeah I think he should be. Like it or hate it . . . and people will always question the quality of opposition . . . but . . . it will still go down the books that PBF is already a five divisional champ. And that should qualify him to join the ATG list.
     
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  6. Illmatic

    Illmatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    belts are a nice benchmark....look at how tough its been for so many fighters to just get a belt. Good fighters like Ward, Sheika, Quiles, Raheem, Nate Campbell havent gotten one....but on the other hand, Fana has one. So..its a nice benchmark, just keep it in perspective. Championships are different altogether, however
     
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  7. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd's resume is just as good as pernell whitaker's. Has everyone forgotten the fact that he has wins over genaro hernandez, zab judah, jose luis castillo, corralles and De La Hoya. If he beats Hatton, then PBF arguably surpasses Whitaker.
     
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  8. bigtime9

    bigtime9 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'll cosign this. and the question the original poster has to ask himself is why has there never been a mexican born fighter to win 4 titles in 4 weightclasses.

    If you go back over the last 30 years in the sport only a select few have won four let alone five titles in five weightclasses.
     
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  9. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think that multiple belts mean very much but actually being the champion of multiple weight classes should carry some weight.
     
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  10. coffeehunk

    coffeehunk Member Full Member

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    PBF is ALREADY considered an ATG.All Time GAy!
     
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  11. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If it is impossible to say who is ATG material how can you say with such certainty that FLoyd is not?
     
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  12. Illmatic

    Illmatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    make a list of fighters who were CHAMPIONS in 3 weight classes, like Floyd was at 130, 135, 147, and Ill show you a list of all time greats
     
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  13. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    what would Mayweather have to do, to become an ATG then in your eyes
     
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  14. Illmatic

    Illmatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    conquer God...


    but he would have to knock him out
     
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  15. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Multiple titles help, but you have to look at the whole picture.

    It's hard to compare since there are more titles out now, and different weigh-in rules which allows guys to fight in more weight classes.
     
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