ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Holyfield or Lewis?

Oh yeah. Whre's Zakman with his compulsory "Ham n Eggers" quotes??

It's not half as much fun without him....

 

the out weighed reference was for heavyweight..which he has fought at the last 20 years ...not cruiserweight ding dong! atsch
like i said...you judge holyfield only at his golden years... yes hes hit the canvas before, big deal, hes fought for 25 years and fought the best of the best. his resume is heads and tails over Lewis.
and if you dont get any points for being undersized why do they even bother to weigh you then? we all know they are heavyweights...what does it matter? being knocked the **** out by journeymen doesnt say much for Lewis. beating up a shell of a mike tyson...a frans botha, a zelijo maverik, means NOTHING. Lewis holds a win over evander after the guy was shop worn and in a ton of wars. im sure you are from england...thus biased , no way in hell anyone can think lewis had a better career

 

Including Cruiserweight, I have Holyfield in my P4P ATG list by about three or four places.

As a HW I have Evander at about 12 and Lewis at 5.

 

Lewis was a great fighter, but so was Holyfield. Holy had the best fight though.

 

Dunno. Just for curiosities sake I suppose. Helps give an indication if the fighter is in shape or not compared to their last outings.

You tell me how many points are given to undersized fighters. Do they go on the judges card? On the refs?
Or is that how Holy managed to get a draw in that first fight with Lewis?

Nope, I'm not from England. OR Canada. Or Jamaica.

I am guessing you're from the States though right? Right? But of course, that doesn't make you biased.... atsch

Holy beat up a shell of Tyson too by the way, if you want to be pedantic. And fought his fair share of Zelkos and Bothas.

Please answer me how many NON-US fighters Holyfield defeated to prove he was the WORLD champ, and not the US champ, if you want to do down the nationalistic path.

 

Lewis was TKO'd by McCall.

Lewis was KO'd by Rahman, man he was out.

 

Lewis ranks higher as a heavyweight but you can't overlook Holy's work at cruiser and thats why i feel Holy ranks marginally higher

 

i think it is Holyfield because he was the man in Cw too...

 

Holyfield. Lewis wasn't as great as people say he was. He was very good at what he did - that is being very, very big compared to his opponents and having quite fast hands for a big man, but take away his size, and he wasn't all that.

Not on the same skill level as Holyfield or Tyson.

 

Lewis is better, people have romantic memories about fighters like Holyfield.

 

No, I don't penalize him. But Lewis's size was the thing that made him good. I was never overwhelmed by his skill. You see the same thing in many sports: very big guy + some degree of coordination = hard to beat.

Shaq O'Neal, for example, is a famous sportsman: why? Because, he's a very big guy + some degree of coordination. To describe his skills as average would be quite generous.

In tennis, Richard Krajicek was a very big guy + some degree of coordination. His skills next to someone like Agassi were insignificant, but because of his size and serve he could smash his way to a win.

In heavyweight boxing, as opposed to all other weights, there is no weight limit. So, it stands to reason: very big guy + some degree of coordination is always going to be hard to beat.

I'm not saying Lewis didn't have skills, clearly he did. But his skill level wasn't on a par with a Holyfield or Tyson in my opinion. Lewis was very good at being a very big guy + some degree of coordination.

 

hmm says...
Holy.... is Holy still active?