ATG: Who ranks Higher, Julio Cesar Chavez or Roy Jones Jr.?

Yeeeeehawwwww! Pavlik is the best! Youngstown in the hizzay!

 

Roy by a country mile





inb4 Rico's Royisaglasschinjoke

 

I have Pac at 42

 

I rank Jones slightly higher, and I like both fighters.

I think Jones was slightly better in terms of ability/effectiveness in his prime, and his achievements beat JCC's IMO.

Not much between them though.

 

JCC easily. Roy Jones is a Glass Jawed Fraud with the most feeble Mandible ever seen in prize fighting.

He got knocked clean out by journeyman plodder Glen Johnson, and also got sparkled in the first round against an Aussie club fighter with a buzz-cut called Danny Green. :rofl:rofl:rofl

What a joke he is.

 

lol...I think the answer to this sort of thread will depend upon who your asking. You have some really die hard Chavez fans who say he's the best fighter under 147 in history. Others say that he didn't have enough 'quality' wins in this weight range to make such claims since he really did lose to Whitaker and he got dominated twice by DLH.

In RJJ's favor, he was extremely dominant(top 10 ATG) at 160/168 and a top 20 ATG at 175. Many people forget this when compiling lists of this sort and place him much lower than he should be because he has been quite embarrassing in the last 5-6 years. Since RJJ is, in fact, a top 10 ATG at 160/168 and a top 20 guy at 175 I guess my answer to the thread is Jones...:think

 

In terms of sheer fighting ability/talent, Jones is demonstrably superior to Chavez. With respect to resume, I would give the nod to Roy as well.

 

Both men have something in common, in that they regularly fought binmen, taxi-drivers, sanitation workers etc.

 

Roy got caught cheating so I say JCC. But ill pick Roy over Balcquiao roid for roid.

 

i have them in the same bracket.

 

Here are one of the 100 "TOMATO CANS" JCC fought:

JCC
Good Wins
1) Mario Azabache Martinez (TKO … Great win against a top fighter and upcoming contender at that time, both young promises collided and Chavez stopped Azabache in eight, after that fight Azabache lost a controversial decision over roger Mayweather followed by a very close fight split decision defeat against Azumah nelson 3 and a half years later…

2) Ruben Castillo (TKO 6) … Another top fighter at that time who had been koed by Alexis Arguello in the 11th but before that round it was a very close fight he gave a really tough fight to Arguello, later he was defeated by the great Salvador Sanchez in a 15th close UD, after that he went match Chavez who had a great performace knocking him out in the 6th, a very good win by Chavez, Castillo was never the same after this ko…

3) Roger Mayweather (TKO 2) … A good fighter upcoming contender at that time was totally brutalized by the young Chavez, great performance…

4) Jeff Bumpus (TD 5) … Bumpus was coming from being defeated by Vinny Pazienza and Haugen both in UD defeats in the same year, but he was still young and got a chance against the top fighter Chavez and he lost in a technical decision, I think he was thrown to the sharks back to back to back… an ok victory for Chavez…

5) Rocky Lodridge (MD 12) … Another top fighter who faces the undefeated Chavez, rocky was coming from a very tough defeat against Wilfredo Gomez, a very closed fight and he did also a good performance against Chavez but not enough, very good win for Chavez…

6) Juan Laporte (UD 12) … Another experienced good fighter, he never really beat the top fighters like Sal Sanchez, Pedroza, or Wilfredo Gomez but he did beat Ruben Castillo, he was a good fighter so it is a good win…

7) Edwin Rosario(TKO11)…No need an explanation for this one, a masterful performance against one of the top p4p fighters at that time, a great win…

Rafael Limon(TKO7)…Even Limon was past his best still a nice win on his resume, Limon went life and death in a trilogy with Bobby Chacon before fighting JCC still a good win…

9) Jose Luis Ramirez(TD11)..A great win for JCC, Ramirez was coming from an impressive win over Pernell Whitaker , Ramirez had divided a series of 2 fights with Edwin Rosario, a very good win for JCC…

10) Roger Mayweather(RTD10) …Again a great performance against a good boxer for his 2nd time, very good W…

11) Meldrick Taylor(TKO12)..No need explanation for this one, a great undefeated fighter enters to the 12th winning the fight to get koed in the last seconds of the fight, and NO JCC had not lost the first 11 rounds of this fight, he was losing entering the 12th but by no means the first 11 rounds, that is BS, Taylor had taken a ton of punishment before entering the 12th you can know this by looking at all the damage taylor was found after the fight..best fight of the 1990s..great win..

12) Hector Camacho(UD12)..Camacho was past his best but JCC as well and Julio totally dominated him, it was a great performance by him…

13) Greg Haugen(TKO5)..Haugen was past his best but JCC too and it was a total demolition in front of over 100,000 fans, a very good win…

14) Terrence Ali(TKO6)..A good fighter, the way JCC dominated him was impressive, good win…

15) Meldrick Taylor(TKO…Second time he beats him, a very good win even Meldrick was past his best…

16) Tony Lopez(TKO10)..One of the best wins for JCC, Lopez had beaten before Lockridge x2, John John Molina x2, Jorge Paez, Joey Gamache and Greg Haugen and JCC dominated him, a very good win for JCC..

17) Giovanni Parisi(UD12)…A good fighter in his prime, Julio totally dominated him, good win…

1 David Kamau(UD12)…An undefeated ok fighter , an ok win..

19) Joey Gamache(TKO…A good fighter who had been in a fight with tony lopez which lost by tko in the 11th while he was winning the fight entering to the 11th, a very good performance by JCC…


A few other good fighters(from anarci post):

Adrian Arreola - Who Knocked out big favorite Lupe Pintor around this time

Danilo Cabrera- Held his own with Mcguigan and Nelson solid contender

Rodolfo Aguilar- Undeafeated and winner of the Forum tournament beat some good fighters

John Duplessis- Slick fast prospect who ran like Usain Bolt in this one

Lonnie Smith- Former champ was a speed demon who also ran like Bolt in this one

Angel Hernandez- another undeafeated PR contender

Andy Holligan- Highly touted undeafeated fighter from UK

MIguel A Gonzalez- Chavez was past it but i thought deserved the nod over a prime solid Champ Gonzalez who was in every ones top 10 pfp list.

Frankie Mitchell another solid contender who Chavez went through pretty easily.



SO YES A TRULY CHERRYPICKER !!!

 

I don't remember Chavez "cherrypicking" opponents, please mention one ocasion. He fought every single challenger that came up, he didn't play with weight classes to take every advantage of his opponents like pac and pbf.

 

Roy jones jr