ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Marciano or Monzon?

Bummy Davis · Jan 22, 2009

mcvey said: ↑

As to Archie's age I tend to believe his Mother ,who,as Archie conceded,"was there at the time",MIke Colbert was an undeserving contender ,his best win was a split dec over Tony Licata ,a Monzon victim,Colbert was a product of the disgraced USA tournament and was "connected "to the right people,he had no business being int he top 5 and probably not in the top 10.
I think you underate Valdez as a fighter he was better than his record suggests,he had the misfortune to be a contempory of Monzon,and this blighted his career.Briscoe ,I will concede was a nearly man, but he was a genuine YOUNG dangerous contender.
Once again I tend to believe those first hand, Archie Moore ,in an inteview,said he was no longer the fighter hre had been when he met Marciano his legs were not there,the fact that he amassed so many wins after his defeat just shows how good he was in his sprime,NOT that he was in his prime,imo.Your post is well put and considered and an effective argument for the other point of view so it is up to each poster to make his own mind up.
Actually I'm surprised Marciano did not win this vote convincingly .
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Moore started fighting young so he got an older guy by 4 years to give him his ID....Everyone knows he started fighting young so the exageration of his age is because of it...Archie did not try to make himself younger it did not matter(he was beating the youngsters soundly) but he was younger than they say...still he was in his 40's when he fought Ali and he landed on Ali quite a few times, his legs and speed diminished and that is what hurt him vs Ali, age related YES...In the Marciano fight Archie was on TOP of his game and on his biggest win streak ever beating the # 1 and # 2 hvyweight besides others

Marciano Frazier · Jan 22, 2009

It's debatable, but I went with Monzon, on the strength of his longevity and dominance. OLD FOGEY makes strong points about Marciano's statistical dominance being even a little better than Monzon's, but in a more qualitative sense, I'm extremely impressed by how soundly Monzon won pretty much all of his major fights- 15 world title bouts and only once did he come even mildly close to losing, that being the Griffith rematch.

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