ATG: Who Ranks Higher, Pacquiao or Arguello?

Barrera, Marquez, Morales.

When Pacquiao knocks Cotto out, I'm going to ram it down your throat for months you sad ****.

 

It won't mean **** because it will be at a catch weight that ONLY benefits Pac.

Either way when Mayweather knocks out Pac (which he will) I will laugh at the pathetic Pac nuthuggers like yourself that will have excuse after excuse.

 

For what it's worth, I would favor Mayweather to knock Pacquiao out also.

 

How does it only benefit Pac when Cotto will still have a 10 or 12 pound advantage over Pac on fightnight.

 

Pacquiao will spank that "cash cow" and kick him over to the IRS with the rest of the tax-dodgers and shitty little bust businessmen.

 

:rofl

that type of comment is what is hurting Boxing right now. If Pac is truly the better fighter it would not matter.

It all goes back to this catch weight nonsense is cheapening the sport.

 

Planet Earth may one day see a time where you favour Pacquiao to win at anything. I heard a rumour you had £5K on Ricky Hatton to beat him at darts in the pub. If Pacquiao announces a tune-up rematch with Davy Diaz, where would your money go then?

 

Diaz had a bad night last time.

 

I heard he was shot, and had stomach cramps, and his boots were too small for him.

 

The only fighter below 147lb I would favor to beat this version of Manny Pacquiao is Marquez.

I just think realistically, Cotto and Mayweather bring to much firepower.

 

Marquez missed his chance to convincingly beat Pac at 130.

Now that they are at 140+, Pac will stop him if they fight again.

JMM will not carry the weight as well. See the early rounds of the Diaz fight for evidence of this, and that was at 135.

Mayweather brings firepower?? Not at 147 he doesn't. It took him 10 rounds to get rid of Hatton at a weight Ricky wasn't good at. It took Pac less than 6 minutes to devour him at his optimum weight. Mayweather couldn't stop Judah whereas Cotto eventually brutalized him. Floyd had power at the lower weights, but at 147 he is not a serious puncher, and it will take a serious puncher to stop Pac.

Remember, Marquez couldn't drop Pac once in 24 toe-to-toe rounds, and in his last 2 he has KO'd two previously unstopped lightweights.

Cotto's firepower is overrated. He didn't hurt Margarito once, and Mosley hurt him with every punch and obliterated him. He didn't hurt Clottey either, despite the KD. However, I do accept he does have the weaponry to hurt Pac. I just don't think he will land often enough or big enough to make it count.

 

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Do you actually believe Pacquaio is bad for boxing? him cleaning out deadwood and fighting the best fighters around his weight.....not just fighting but demolishing them

Morales and Barrera re-matches left, right and centre....

Even after the first Marquez, where it was plain as day he was up against a better fighter, he still re-matches him.....

Even when people said DLH was a jump to far, he still took the fight..... same with a near prime Hatton

and now he fights a 28 yr old monster in Cotto.....

how is that bad for boxing???

 

I thought Pacquiao missed his chance also, but the judges disagreed.

I disagree.

Unfair comparison.

Juan Manuel Marquez took on two of the best Lightweights in the world when he had his stint at 135lb, whereas Manny fought a punching bag who arguably lost to shot Morales. I think if Manny faced Juan Diaz, he'd have had just as much trouble as Marquez did before knocking him out brutally in the later rounds.

It was easier for Manny to look less vulnerable when he's fighting David as opposed to Juan Diaz.

Mayweather's right hand counter buzzed Oscar more than any single punch Manny threw when he fought him. Floyd has underrated power if anything, when he sits down on his punches he has a lot of pop and can knockout legitimate 147lb, in my estimation. I think Floyd would sit down on his punches more when fighting Manny to express his dominance.

Above all else, I just think Mayweather is a better fighter than Manny Pacquiao.

Pacquiao was never dropped, but he was hurt once or twice in both fights. Fair enough point though.

Mosley did not hurt Margarito with every punch he threw. If he had, that fight would not have lasted as long as it did. Rewatch the fight if you dare, it's a brutal one. More brutal than Duran/Moore, in my opinion.

 

After flyweight (hell, even during flyweight, who knows why he stayed there and then skipped straight to super bantamweight all of a sudden), it seemed that Manny had trouble keeping his weight down to really stay long term in any weight class. He did spend about 3.5 years at super bantam and 3 years at super feather, but he had only 12 and 8 fights respectively in those weight classes.

And at this point in his career (assuming he doesn't get elected into whatever political position he's going for, so either way there will be a layoff period for him), he's not going to fight any more than 3 times a year, and he certainly won't fight 3 times a year every year. Arguello was still doing that and more (4 fights each in 81 and 82).

 

Marquez is the one who has missed his chance, because he didn't get the win and if they fight again he will lose.

Manny would have brutalized J.Diaz early, no doubt. He was tailor-made for Manny. But that's not the issue here.

My point was not comparing the performances at 135, I am well aware that both Casamayor and J.Diaz were better than D.Diaz, my point was that Juan Diaz looked like the physically bigger and stronger man before Marquez's accuracy and natural single-shot power wore Diaz down - and this is true. Pacquiao did not look any weaker than Hatton, and Hatton is bigger than Diaz.

At 130, Pac and Marquez were as strong as each other, there was nothing between them. I never saw Marquez being outmuscled there. The J.Diaz fight confirmed what I suspected would be the case, that JMM cannot hold the weight as well as Pac. Pac rag-dolled Hatton and although it has now been erased from the collective memory of ESB, Hatton was strong as an ox at 140. For me, Pac looks the exact same guy at 140+ that he did at 126-130. At 135, I don't think Marquez looked as strong as he did at 126-130.

However, even if I had never seen the J.Diaz and Hatton fights and had only seen Pac and JMM fight at 130, I still think Pac would hold the weight better. It's just my impression. I think he has a rare, strange type of frame that allows him to pack muscle on and not lose anything.

Mayweather didn't come close to dropping Oscar, whereas in the 7th round v Pac the ropes were keeping him up.

I don't understand how you can say Mayweather has underrated power. He failed to stop Judah, failed to even make Baldomir notice he was hitting him, failed to hurt Oscar - the only men he hurt at 147 were Hatton and Sharmba ****ing Mitchell. He hasn't stopped any natural welters. :huh

Mayweather had good power at 130, but that was long ago. He is no Paulie Malignaggi or Sergio Mora, but nor is he a potent enough puncher to KO someone with a chin like Pacquiao's.

In all fairness though, you think Cotto is a better boxer than Pac.

At 130, Mayweather was the better fighter.
Right now, I do not think he is.
Hopefully we shall see.

Not as hurt as JMM was in both fights.

I think Mosley was hurting Margarito from the first bell. It is testimony to Margo's chin and heart that he stuck it out for so long before his body let him down. Every time Mosley connected, I felt like Margo was in pain... and in shock.