ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Roy Jones Jr or Evander Holyfield?

How would you know what I’ve written, if you you don’t read my posts??

The only reason you’re whining is because I shut down every one of your opinions, and you cannot refute what I’ve said.

If you could have refuted them, you would have. But you couldn’t, so you haven’t.

Go and relax by looking at some pictures of Eubank or something.

 

It's boring. We already know what you're going to post. We can skim down the page and see the same old crap 'LHW' 'Griffin, Castro, Malinga, Lucas, Harding Woods' 'SMW' 'HBO'

**** off.

 

We know what Holyfield did and we know what Jones didn't and you can't change that with repetitive essays.

 

I never mentioned all of those guys, but seeing as though we were comparing the best wins of both fighters, then yes, of course there’s going to be a list of names, Einstein.

 

You don’t even know how to rate on a P4P basis.

Your brain can’t comprehend that Roy moving up 2 divisions to crush Hill, was on a level to beating an ancient Foreman.

The biggest win of Evander’s entire career was beating a faded version of Mike who’d spent 3 years in prison, and who’d already been beaten by Douglas over 6 years earlier.

You don’t know how to debate.

Again, stop whining and come and refute what I’ve said. If you’re not able to do that, then go and find another thread.

 

There's no helping you if you compare standing toe-to-toe with George Foreman to potshotting Virgil Hill. Not wasting my time.

 

You have Jones above Conn, Tunney, Spinks, Moore, Charles, Foster, Michalczewski, Langford and Loughran!??!

He did nothing. It's a non-starter because he wasn't the real champion, just a belt collector.

 

It makes zero difference if someone stands toe to toe or not.

Are you for real?

Evander was a huge, tough HW.

He didn’t have great hand speed and fast feet.

He didn’t dance on his toes like Ali.

He fought the way he did because that was his style.

Roy had a different style. But a former MW crushing a LHW with absolute ease, is a special win.

There was nothing special about beating an old Foreman. Tommy Morrison also beat him shortly afterwards.

If you can’t comprehend that, then I don’t want to waste my time on you.

 

He didn’t pot shot Hill.

He fought him aggressively and knocked him out in the 4th round.

 

Dariusz wouldn’t give up his WBO belt.

 

You're alien to me.

George Foreman was capable of killing you with a punch, especially a former skinny light-heavy pro in Holy who had no business at heavy with his skeleton.

A badly faded Virgil Hill was not capable of that! Haha. He just jabbed and moved mostly, and didn't even have a prime because his fights were all the same in the same town, with very little coverage outside his town.

Jones was 178 against Hopkins, the weight categories are irrelevant post-91 apart from heavies which is limitless. Bouncing around the ring isn't great, not from old times.

Foreman punched Norton out of the ring and took Frazier off his feet, in no time, and he was 25lb bigger against Holy! It's insane that little Evander stood in the pocket with him. It's truly great. It's bravery. It's adversity to come back from defeats and knockouts to stand in front of more men, greats, who can kill you with a punch, and win and go the distance.

 

Was a prime version of Evander skinny? No.

He was in his prime and he fought a 40 odd year old George Foreman. Sure, George hit ridiculously hard. But he was old and slow, and his comeback trail was made up of ageing fighters and guys who low level. Most HW’s hit ridiculously hard, where they’re capable of killing someone with a punch. But Evander was a great HW himself. It wasn’t some great feat beating that version of George.

Evander had no business at HW? Ha! Okay.

Hill wasn’t shot. He won a CW belt 2 years after.

Little Evander?

Evander and George were practically the same height and they had the same reach.

Yes, he was much heavier. But he was much slower with a lot more body fat.

Evander was all muscle.

You can’t paint a picture where he was a little guy because he weighed less.

He wasn’t little.

He was a hugely powerful man in his HW prime.

He fought the way he did because he had no other choice.

Yes, it was brave. All fighters are brave. But again, it was no great feat. Nobody thinks that Tommy Morrison had a great win over George. And Tommy beat George after being pummelled by Ray Mercer.

 

Are you for real? Holyfield was a skinny dude in his prime against Qawi.

He hired Lee Haney to try to add 30lb of muscle to compete with Tyson at heavy. And he did. He obviously wasn't a natural heavyweight, or in his physical prime as a heavy.

George Foreman is George Foreman. You can play word games all you like.

He was MUCH naturally bigger, taller, rangier, heavier and harder hitting than Holy. I don't think George was the same after that last-hurrah type 91 Holyfield war, he withstood an immense amount of in-range combos to the skull, and was not expected to continue fighting (indeed offered an analyst role).

 

Yes he did.

How do you think he managed that?

It was outside feinting that set up that long right to the rib. It wasn't an inside Mexican job.

 

He wasn’t a skinny dude when he fought George.

He was a big powerful HW who was in his prime, who had huge muscle, with a low percentage of body fat.


Their height and reach were practically equal:


George Foreman:

Height: 6’3

Reach: 78.5”


Evander Holyfield:

Height: 6’2.5

Reach: 78”