ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Roy Jones Jr or Evander Holyfield?

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Who Ranks Higher in your ATG list

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  1. Evander Holyfield

    58 vote(s)
    63.0%

  2. Roy Jones Jr

    34 vote(s)
    37.0%
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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Depending on the circumstances, winning titles in multiple divisions can be better than becoming the undisputed champion in one division. It depends on the strength of the divisions etc.

    He had no desire to rematch Toney after what had happened when they fought.

    Nobody in history could survive those days with Robinson etc. There’s nobody who could have come away undefeated or unscathed after fighting once or twice per month.
     
    Loudon, May 26, 2020
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It would have been extremely difficult for him to have fought a guy like Briscoe with a same day weigh-in.

    He’d have had to have fought at LHW.
     
    Loudon, May 26, 2020
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  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You can pick holes on anyone’s resume.

    What about everything else he did?

    He took Griffin out with a lead uppercut in under 3 mins.
     
    Loudon, May 26, 2020
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  4. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How? He didn't unify the belts in the divisions he hopped about in, or Lineagize, wouldn't stay in the pocket like a James Toney etc or stay busy

    I don't get it
     
    Bulldog24, May 26, 2020
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Don’t be ridiculous.

    What’s your obsession with unifying belts?

    GG and Hopkins unified belts in divisions which weren’t particularly strong.

    Floyd had great ability and he has a great resume.

    Even Floyd’s biggest detractors can’t argue that he wasn’t a great fighter.

    If Floyd wasn’t great, then almost nobody is.
     
    Loudon, May 26, 2020
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  6. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've not seen a truly great fighter based on 'all time' standards since Toney and Holyfield, who haven't been active at world level for 15-20 years. Today, there's nobody great. They are jokers.
     
    Bulldog24, May 26, 2020
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  7. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Morales, Barrera and Marquez were greater
     
    Bulldog24, May 26, 2020
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  8. Babality

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    Roy had no heart. Once KO'd, he was done.
     
    Babality, May 26, 2020
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  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    There’s obviously different tiers of great fighters.

    Saying that Floyd wasn’t a great fighter is just silly.
     
    Loudon, May 26, 2020
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  10. Loudon

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    Getting knocked out had nothing to do with a lack of heart.

    Roy had heart.
     
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    Loudon, May 26, 2020
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  11. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is there? I don't know?

    You know a truly great fighter. They are brave, stood in front of big hitters and fight the best
     
    Bulldog24, May 26, 2020
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  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Floyd is a great fighter by any measure.

    Stop being silly.
     
    Loudon, May 26, 2020
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  13. Serge

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    How many brutal KO losses do you think prime Roid would've been on the receiving end of and how much sooner do you think that fragile mandible of his would've been exposed had he had to run the gauntlet of savage punching KO artists Evan did during his prime?

    Tyson x 2
    Lewis x 2
    Foreman
    Bowe x 3
    Mercer
    Rahman
    Moorer

    Now go compare those names to all the soft hitting sanitation workers, professional dog walkers, milkmen, and drag queens that make up the bulk of the opposition on a prime Roid's CV. He wouldn't have achieved a fraction of what he did if he had to run that kind of gauntlet because as soon as that glass got shattered the mystique did too and once that's gone he would've actually been facing opponents who weren't beaten before they stepped foot in the ring.
     
    Serge, May 26, 2020
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  14. Luis Fernando

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    Combination of everything put together. For me though, the most important criteria is how revolutionary a boxer was, compared to his peers. And who was overall most competent defensively and offensively. In those regards, Roy Jones Jr > Evander Holyfield!
     
    Luis Fernando, May 26, 2020
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  15. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not really close. Holyfield was far more competent by staying in the pocket with beasts like Foreman, Bowe and Tyson, much bigger men, not to mention beasts like Qawi. He parried expertly and frequently landed actual combinations, not shoeshiners or flash flurries.
     
    Bulldog24, May 27, 2020
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