ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Roy Jones Jr or Evander Holyfield?

Crazy talk.

He fought Bowe at his very best three times!! He fought dangerous southpaw Moorer. Went toe-to-toe with Foreman and Tyson and came on top, after starting at 175lb.

The Jones-Hopkins fight on a Ridduck Bowe undercard was a hugely disappointing fight for a vacant alphabet belt.

Virgil Hill and Reggie Johnson were good in 1991, and McCallum in 1984.

Castro and Malinga were ten-round prelim fights. Not for the undisputed cruiser or heavy title.

Evander took 12 or 15 fights like the Toney fight for Jones, and they weren't weight-drained because they were mostly heavyweights.

It's night and day, and silly

 

You don't know what a truly great fighter is as evidenced in this thread.

 

You simply must be trolling.

 

No, no, no.

Apply the same criteria if you’re going to do this.

You can’t dismiss wins over Reggie and Virgil on the grounds that they were faded, when Evander’s biggest win was against a faded, post prison version of Mike.

Yeah, he fought Bowe 3 times. And that’s great. But he lost the series 2-1.

Roy didn’t need to fight guys 3 times when he was prime.

Sure, McCallum was old. But so was Holmes.

You have to objectively rate these guys on a P4P basis.

Foreman was a great fighter. But he was in his 40’s. How was that any better than Roy’s easy wins over Griffin and Reggie?

You can’t rate the wins just on name value.

His win over Mike was no better than Roy’s win over Toney on a P4P basis.

We can’t rank it higher just because it was Tyson and it was a huge fight and one of the biggest in the division’s history.

You can’t rate wins like that.

Now on what planet did Evander have 15 ‘Toney’ type fights??

Stop taking copious amounts of LSD. It’s not even the weekend yet.

 

Tyson was the WBC/WBA champion, and he was Tyson, a 30 year old beast coming off demolition jobs. Virgil Hill and Reggie Johnson were timid guys with losses and without great intangibles. They just aren't Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis or Ridduck Bowe, or an unbeaten Mike Moorer or ambitious Mike Dokes. I'm sorry they just aren't! It's silly and delusional to think they are. Or 5ft7 Montell Griffin.

Toney was Roy's first main event outside small venues in his home town. Evander was fighting wars for Lineal titles in the mid-80s, fought the heavyweight king Buster Douglas who was high lb4lb after that masterclass. Fought Bowe x3, Qawi x2, Lennox x2, Tyson x2, Moorer x2, Mercer and everyone else you got.

Get the **** out of here with your crap.

 

And even fought Toney himself, coming off his career best win over Jirov and anything but weight starved. They are the greats. Not Roy Jones

 

I always make that stupid mistake.

 

Don’t give me all that BS.

I don’t care about rankings.

I’m one of Mike Tyson’s biggest fans.

Yes, Evander was a big underdog and he deserves HUGE credit for his win over Mike. It was a great win. But you cannot dismiss Roy’s wins over Hill and Reggie etc, by saying that they were faded, when Mike was also faded. Evander didn’t even fight the versions of Mike that had fought Ruddock. Yes, Mike was still a very dangerous fighter, but not the one he’d been in the mid to late 80’s. You know that. We all know that.

How dumb are you to compare Montell Griffin to guys like Lennox?

What planet are you on?

We’re not doing like for like comparisons.

We’re doing P4P comparisons you maniac.

Evander was a HW.

Roy was a former MW, who destroyed a prime undefeated LHW who was very capable, as evidenced in his fights with Toney. That was a great win for Roy. He iced him in under a minute.

Yes, Bowe was a great fighter. But Evander lost 2-1.

You’re all over the place.

You want to give credit to Evander for beating Douglas who was the ‘HW King’ in 1990, after beating Mike, but then you also want to give him huge credit for beating Mike himself, despite the fact that Douglas had already beaten Mike 6 years earlier.

You’ve no idea how to debate.

You’re not even looking from Roy’s perspective.

You’re just rating wins on name value and trying to argue that all those HW’s were better than all of Roy’s opponents. But they weren’t. Not on a P4P basis.

 

Yes they were. Those guys were nowhere near their best against Jones, like 50% of themselves at most. And Holyfield didn't expect Buster to come in out of shape, he trained for the best Buster like Jones trained for the best Toney (though knew James was 222lb before it was made)

 

You're not the brightest.

 

Who cares that Buster came in totally out of shape? That's not the point is it. The point is Evander was willing to fight the best (always!). And yes, FIGHT, not hop around.

 

That's great.

 

Was Mike anywhere near his best when he fought Evander?

Was Holmes anywhere near his best when he fought Evander?

Was Foreman anywhere near his best when he fought Evander?

 

I don’t know how you have the audacity to criticise Mark Ant.

 

Fight not hop around?

Every fighter has a different style.

What you prefer is up to you.