ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Tommy Hearns or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

He earned his shot imo , which was my point

 

That’s not what happened.

Canelo was a fellow JMW champ, Floyd had already beaten Oscar there, and he said that he didn’t care what Canelo rehydrated to.

Typical Floyd BS.

It was completely unnecessary.

Floyd would have gotten a lot more credit for beating him at 154.

 

You're actually not the authority on this and Floyd got a ton of credit fro beating Canelo at the weight they each agreed to compromise at.

 

It wasn’t a compromise.

Canelo accepted because it’s the only way the fight would have happened.

It was pathetic by Floyd considering that they were both JMW champs and it was a unification fight.

Yes, Floyd got credit. But he’d have gotten a lot more had he not have forced the C-W.

 

Nope. Floyd wanted lower and Canelo wanted higher. Floyd wasn't a Jr. Middle. He had one fight there in like 6 or 7 years. They compromised and Floyd allowed Canelo to weight bully with no rehydration limit. You wouldn't know how significant the weight difference was because you haven't boxed once in your entire life.

 

I hate Mayweather. Cherrypicker extraordinaire. He did wait until certain fighters were past their best. Plus he missed some incredible bouts with Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito and Joel Casamayor to name a few. He also had home cookings with judges and referees fighting for a spot in his back pocket. Buuuuuuut...

He has a tremendous resume. It might be enough to place him above a guy like Hitman Hearns who most likely kicks his azz in the ring.

 

Another dumb post.

Floyd fought Oscar at 154 and won a JMW belt.

Canelo was a fellow JMW champion.

The fight was a JMW unification.

Floyd publicly said that he didn’t care what Canelo weighed on fight night, as the fight would be determined by skills and not the weight.

They did NOT compromise.

If JMW was too big for Floyd, he should have stayed at WW.

A fighter can’t go up to JMW, win a belt, celebrate being a champion, and then dictate what a fellow JMW champ weighs in at.

It’s a disgrace.

Nobody made Floyd fight at the weight.

It was a BS move.

He tried to drain him in order to gain an advantage.

How could Canelo have weight bullied him you fool?

You are hopeless in these kinds of debates.

 

Fun facts: Floyd weighed in at 150. Canelo weighed in two pounds heavier and about 20 pounds heavier in ring. The fight was not contested at 147 or 150 because Canelo did not agree to it.

 

He was a JMW champion you fool.

 

It doesn’t matter if Floyd eventually fought Manny. He deserves far more criticism.

When Roy moved up to LHW late in 1996, he got the opportunity to fight McCallum for the WBC title. Dariusz was the WBO belt holder at the time, and Hill was the WBA and IBF champ.

Dariusz had no claim to the WBC.

He then beat Hill, but was stripped for holding the WBO belt alongside the others. You could say that was harsh, but it had nothing to do with Roy and other fighters were also stripped. The WBO weren’t rated or respected back then. If Dariusz had’ve relinquished his belt, he could have kept the others. Roy then ended up with all of them after beating Lou Del Valle and Reggie Johnson.

The WBC deserves huge criticism though for having handed Roy his WBC belt back after he’d relinquished it to pursue a fight at HW. That was outrageous.

Realistically, how much criticism can you give Roy?

We know what happened in the 1988 Olympics.

He was considered the best fighter in the world.

He’d seen Dariusz feign injury in order to get Roch disqualified in their first fight.

Germany had a bad rep at the time.

We saw what happened with Ottke-Reid etc.

He wasn’t offered any more than what he was getting for his other fights.

Why would he have taken all 3 belts to Germany, if he was concerned about fair judging?

Dariusz said he’d go to the U.S. if the money was right. He repeatedly said that. But his promoter would never sit down for face to face discussions with Roy’s advisors and HBO.

It’s completely different to the Floyd-Manny saga.

Floyd pretended that the main obstacle for their fight not happening sooner was the testing issue. But we know that’s not the case, as Manny agreed to Floyd’s cut off demand, before then agreeing to everything that Floyd wanted regarding the testing. Yet the fight still didn’t happen for a further 3 years. And when it did happen, Floyd said that it wasn’t the right time to fight earlier, before having an illegal IV which wasn’t reported, where the NSAC had no knowledge of it until 3 weeks after the fight.

So Roy and Dariusz didn’t fight because neither guy would travel, whereas Floyd risked a $400m fight because he wanted a weakened version of Manny.

Floyd deserves much more criticism that what Roy does.

He waited Manny out and slandered him with racial abuse, before doing the very thing that he’d accused Manny of.

 

It’s really easy for me to understand: The person nitpicking it will invariably have a preexisting personal dislike for whoever won the fight.

 

Was Erne/McGovern a Divisional World Title fight?

 

And that is exactly my point. People will always side with the boxers they're fans of.

They will choose whichever arguments they can to back up what they say.

Fans of Dariusz and Floyd would give the exact opposite arguments as you and would also believe they're in the right.

People will often argue the exact opposite points depending on who they're favoured fighters are.

As you said, Floyd deserves criticism for not facing Pac in his prime, even though he did face him eventually. Yet Jones Jr does not deserve criticism for not facing Dariusz in his prime, despite never facing him.

One thing we can say about Floyd, is he always fought the next best in his division, at some point,aside from his brief stay at LWW.

Did Jones ever face the next best in his division? At MW no, at SMW no, at LHW no, at HW no.

But you criticise one and defend the other.

That's my point.