ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Tommy Hearns or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

I always liked Hearns. As a fan, his fights seemed to have an element of drama to them.

On the other hand, I always rooted for Mayweather to lose.

But, clearly, in terms of all-time greats, Mayweather should be rated higher.

He had all the big wins and none of the shocking losses. Took the sport and what a fighter could earn to a whole different level.

 

You know why C-W’s are made.

You know why they were invented.

A fighter from a higher weight meets a fighter from a lower weight.

There’s no problem with that.

Everyone is happy.

That is not the same as Floyd-Canelo, where a reigning JMW champ (who had obviously already fought at the weight) tried to dictate what a fellow JMW weighed in at, for a JMW unification.

Floyd didn’t want the fight at 152 out of fairness to make the fight.

He did it to deliberately try to weaken Canelo, in order to gain an advantage.

There was no compromise.

Canelo didn’t have a choice.

It was either 152 or nothing.

Yet guys like NoNeck think that Floyd was being fair and reasonable. Ha!

I guess he was also fair with Marquez too.

 

Thanks. While I agree catchweights are a part of boxing - and a necessary one - I'm not aware of them being made for world title fights until more recently (Chavez/Whitaker in the '90s being one of the earliest I think of, for example).

Personally, I neither agree with nor see the point in fighters creating a new weight limit (usually one fighter forcing the other down in weight) for a divisional world title bout.

If your fighting for that division's title, the limit is already set.

 

Leonard and Lalonde had a fight at 167 for the light heavyweight title in 1988.

Mayweather and Canelo didn’t give two shits about the sanctioning bodies. They were high profile to the point where the sanctioning bodies catered to them. If you want to get technical, no titles would’ve been stripped if Canelo weighed in at 153 because he still would’ve made weight for the title. Basically, the sanctioning bodies were an afterthought. Money came first.

 

BS.

Floyd Mayweather was a reigning JMW champion who made a fellow JMW champion weigh-in at a C-W.

If you support that, then you’re a fool and not a fan of the sport.

You’ve got to be completely delusional to actually believe that Floyd was trying to be fair and reach a compromise.

 

I looked at the first 5 and disagree on 3 counts. To me:
- Duran win ranks above Castillo II win (quite clearly so)
- Hill win above Canelo
- Leonard draw above Delahoya

 

OK. I hadn't realized that a catchweight had been contracted into their bouts - assuming they agreed a catchweight for all three.

 

Oh, well then. I can forgive it, for what became a classic trilogy!

 

Your point is completely pointless without context.

Be objective and tell me how you can criticise Roy for not going to Germany?

It wasn’t his fault that Dariusz got stripped.

It wasn’t his fault that he was robbed in the Olympics.

Floyd said that the testing was the issue for the fight not taking place sooner. Manny then removed that issue by agreeing to all of Floyd’s demands. He even did OSDT with Rios. But it still took Floyd 3 years to make the fight. And again, when it did happen, it was Floyd who’d taken the PEDS. Ha!

So how does Roy warrant more criticism than Floyd?

Floyd was guilty of the very thing that he accused of Manny of, which supposedly stopped the fight from taking place earlier. Ha! You couldn’t make it up.

Roy didn’t end up fighting Dariusz, as Dariusz faded away and retired a few years later, after suffering back to back defeats, with one of them against a fighter who Roy had already easily beaten.

How can Floyd’s fans give the opposite arguments? Sure, they can say that the testing was an issue. But they can’t use that as an excuse from after 2012.

Roy moved up to SMW to fight Toney. He then moved up and fought most of the top 10 bar Dariusz. Hopkins, Liles and Calzaghe wouldn’t fight him. He then moved up to HW. He didn’t pull the BS that Floyd did. He only didn’t fight Dariusz because he wouldn’t go to Germany. But he was more than willing to fight him in the U.S. And HBO, who were sometimes critical of his opposition will confirm that.

There’s a world of difference between not wanting to have gone to Germany and not wanting to fight Manny in a $400m fight.

 

No way was Duran a better win. Castillo went undefeated against top opposition other than Floyd from 2000-2005. And Floyd cleared up any doubt from the first fight. Duran had a bright spot against Davey Moore and a okay loss to Hagler, but also was losing to Kirkland Laing and Robbie Sims before and after Hearns.

I was being generous by even including the draw, since it’s not a win. Taking into account that Floyd actually won and a gave up a ton of weight, his win is better.

Not talking about Hill anymore, but the Canelo win was actually better than the Benitez win which can put it 20-0 on Floyd’s favor. Beating Canelo widely at 36 in your fifth weightclass is better than what Hearns did against Benitez.

 

This example^ is quite choice, given that Leonard and Lalonde were fighting for a newly created divisional title, i.e it was the WBCs inaugural title fight for their Super Middleweight division so, they fought at the super middleweight limit of 168.

I really couldn't care less. As a rule, I think catchweights are not appropriate for world title fights and quite pointless, given the advent of all the 'Super' divisions in place.

 

Canelo didn’t have a choice.

You’re the one who has commented saying that you can’t see an issue.

I’m the one who has told you what the issue was.

I have no issue with a genuine C-W.

A C-W between 2 JMW champs is a disgrace.

And this is the guy who you think would have fought Robbo from your scenario.

It’s laughable.