ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Tommy Hearns or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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ATG: Who Ranks Higher?

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  1. Tommy "Hitman" Hearns

    48 vote(s)
    58.5%
  2. Floyd "Money" Mayweather Jr

    34 vote(s)
    41.5%
  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    These are the exact same arguments people have though aren't they. Don't forget, De La Hoya, Mosley, Cotto and Pacquiao all had belts when Floyd beat them. All were arguably the best fighter in their division when Floyd beat them.

    Hearns clearly didn't beat prime Duran, that's evident to anyone.

    Benitez as a prime LMW, I don't buy it.
     
  2. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good wins for Floyd but in my opinion hearns has the better to top wins in his record.Floyd has longevity and also depth in his record.So it is close. Now, I am repeating myself.

    I was merely responding to a post that Benitez and Duran were old when in fact they were not.I also strongly reject the proposition that the castillo win is better than the Duran win
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I agree its close. My point is that people pick holes in Floyd's resume yet are unwilling to pick the same holes in other people's.

    The Benitez win, I can see the argument for that being prime, I might even concede that point. But the Duran win, no way.

    I think the version of Duran that Hearns beat was a very very good fighter, but not as good as he once was.

    It's clearly better than Castillo though.

    I put the Duran win on par with the Pacquiao win tbh. A past prime great who was still one of the best in the world.
     
  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd for me and not that close. He was undefeated beat the best in every weight class he participated in except at 140.

    Hearns lost to the best at 147 and 160 and arguably didn't face the best at 154 (McCallum). It kind of weird that he has a case for beating the best at the time at 175, though, and that's a hell of an accomplishment.

    His win over Hill might be the best they have between them, but after that I'd probably put Corrales, Pac, Castillo and Canelo. There's an argument for Benitez and Cuevas to be in there as well, though. So in terms of top wins I have it pretty even, but in second tier wins it's probably Floyd. And he never lost. Hearns lost three times by KO in his prime.
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Duran’s record and standing pfp during the period a little bit before and little bit after the Hearns fight were inferior to Pac.

    Floyd was also 38 years old whereas Hearns was prime and fighting with a massive size advantage over Duran.

    These two aren’t the same.
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    This actually proves my point all along lol.

    I have Floyd detractors arguing against me and Floyd fans arguing against me. I both using the exact opposite arguments.

    As I said, I only look at what they did and judge from there.
     
  7. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Floyd has a legitimate claim for top 20 p4p all time, whether you choose to rank him there is entirely up to you. Hearns despite being braver, on the other hand doesn’t imo
     
  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    I’m not really arguing as much as I am stating facts.
     
  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    That's literally what the other group have said to me also.

    Everyone only ever states facts.

    Its why when i take a neutral stance both groups of fans will argue their point against me.

    The best thing is usually someone is fan of a boxer criticised for the exact thing they criticise others for.

    I'm not really a fan of either of these, for me the hitman was always Hatton.
     
  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    I didn’t say I was a fan of Floyd. I will say I am a fan of Hearns and he does not have a long history of domestic violence that I am aware of.

    His resume is objectively worse than Floyd’s. Manny cuts it close with Floyd. Hearns doesn’t. The top 20 wins comparison shows that Hearns isn’t even in the same ballpark.

    I put Corrales at the 1 or 2 spot and Guerrero at 16. But Guerrero was a multi division champ, was on pfp lists, and may have been able to beat Corrales at 135. Hearns’ depth of resume is nothing close.
     
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  11. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In the wake of all these facts, here's some pure opinions:

    FMJ vs Pacquiao was the one of the most expensive letdowns in boxing history.

    The match-up went from being potentially one of the most exciting contests, between two of the most exemplary performers in the sport in years (2010), to being a tedious itch that, nonetheless, kept asking to be scratched, lest a shedload of money not be made (2015).

    Dull as ditchwater.
     
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  12. surfinghb1

    surfinghb1 Member Full Member

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    In 2010, It was up there with one of the best fights in History.. I believe both of them switched of P4P best fighters of the year for 5 straight years. #1 and #2 ... In 2015, I did not even pay for the fight because I already knew the outcome ... And yes I was still very bitter they waited 5 years ... It's like whats the point? ..... oh ya money !!
     
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  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    They were pfp 1 and 2 when they fought.
     
  14. surfinghb1

    surfinghb1 Member Full Member

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    LOL !!! You missed the point
     
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  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    I think it always would've been dull. The writing was on the wall with the Marquez fights. Floyd easily handled Marquez at his own game whereas Marquez got the best of Manny. Like many issues involving Floyd, fans want soemthing detrimental to happen to him but it never went down that way.

    I had far more doubts about who would win the Canelo, Ortiz, Guererro, and Mosely fights.
     


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