ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Tommy Hearns or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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ATG: Who Ranks Higher?

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  1. Tommy "Hitman" Hearns

    48 vote(s)
    58.5%
  2. Floyd "Money" Mayweather Jr

    34 vote(s)
    41.5%
  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    It's not just age, it's miles on the clock. Benitez would never have a meaningful victory after Hearns. So if that was prime Benitez it was his very last night.

    I'm not saying Floyd didn't hight faded versions, I'm saying the same argument can be made about plenty of others including Hearns.
     
  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Benitez when he fought Hearns was a great champion and better at 154 than he had been at 140 and 147 in my estimation. Whether he moved up one division too many and fought the wrong guy, the fact is he was fighting his best fights in his career. He was fighting his best fights. Whether he moved up and fought bigger and bad styles, I cannot say anything about that. But the Wilfred who fought Hearns was one of the best fighters in boxing then. Whether Hearns affected his confidence I don't know. I think Benitez who fought Duran was the best Benitez there was. I am not a Floyd fan. I respect his defense and ability to control the ring and win the fights each round at a time. I think he knew how to control inside and outside the ring in a very brilliant way. He did what Ray wanted to in his later career, but didn't quite do it. Ray tried to avoid tough guys but he got them and couldn't hide the slide, even fighting a fighter in Hearns who was sliding like he was.. Floyd actively avoided tough guys and he was not ashamed to make that obvious. Now he says undefeated and all this as though he didn't make it obvious. He did. I respect guys who take on all challengers and lose than a guy who sets up wins.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Hearns didn't take on McCallum though. He didn't attempt to unify at SMW or LHW.

    The fact still remains that people love to pick holes in the career of certain fighters. The same holes can be picked in anyone's.
     
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  4. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Didn't he do a unification fight against Leonard in Super-Middleweight (WBC and WBO)?:thinking::dunno

    Also had he held two world title from different boxing bodies in Light-Heavyweight; WBC and WBA.
     
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  5. lufcrazy

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    He did unify with Leonard yes, my bad, that was his only attempt though.
     
  6. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    I think Mayweather had also only about two unification bouts; the first against Maidana and vs. Pacquaio. Although in Super-Featherweight would it have been very (more) interesting, against Casamayor and Freitas (these would be arguable his best opponents, besides Mosley and Pacquaio).
     
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  7. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed.
     
  8. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How high do you rate Hearns and Mayweather? In my opinion, both rate in the TOP 30-50 ATGs. I hold against Hearns his 3 KOs defeats and against Floyd that he did a bit of cherrypicking.
     
  9. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I get the picking holes in resumes argument. It can literally be done to any boxer's record, but that's not to say there aren't easily identifiable degrees of difference between two ledgers.

    Yes - much depends on a 'point of view', in terms of what aspects carry greater value than others.

    So, for me, Hearns taking on dangerous fighters, both in their prime and in their element - Cuevas, Leonard, Hagler, Hill, with the names of Benitez and Duran, as icing on the cake, carries more value than Mayweather's nice-looking names and an '0'.
     
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  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I actually have them both in my top 20 ATG.

    Mayweather 17 and Hearns 18.

    I wasn't lying when I said I consider it close between them.
     
  11. Loudon

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    Manny had already been iced by Marquez, he had shoulder surgery 5 days after his fight with Floyd, and Floyd took PEDS which was covered up by USADA.
     
  12. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hearns did lose, but then again, he fought better fighters.

    We don’t know if Floyd would even have fought the same calibre of guys that Hearns fought, let alone have beaten him.

    It’s okay saying he never lost, but we have to look at who he fought.

    He definitely has better second tier wins.
     
  13. Loudon

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    Does Manny’s injury or Floyd taking PEDS influence the ranking of the win?
     
  14. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your opinion carries no weight when you think that a win over Austin Trout is better than a win over Henry Maske.
     
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  15. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Active Member Full Member

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    Mayweather is top 10 and Hearns is top 20.
     


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