ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Tommy Hearns or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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ATG: Who Ranks Higher?

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  1. Tommy "Hitman" Hearns

    48 vote(s)
    58.5%
  2. Floyd "Money" Mayweather Jr

    34 vote(s)
    41.5%
  1. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed.
     
  2. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How high do you rate Hearns and Mayweather? In my opinion, both rate in the TOP 30-50 ATGs. I hold against Hearns his 3 KOs defeats and against Floyd that he did a bit of cherrypicking.
     
  3. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I get the picking holes in resumes argument. It can literally be done to any boxer's record, but that's not to say there aren't easily identifiable degrees of difference between two ledgers.

    Yes - much depends on a 'point of view', in terms of what aspects carry greater value than others.

    So, for me, Hearns taking on dangerous fighters, both in their prime and in their element - Cuevas, Leonard, Hagler, Hill, with the names of Benitez and Duran, as icing on the cake, carries more value than Mayweather's nice-looking names and an '0'.
     
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  4. lufcrazy

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    I actually have them both in my top 20 ATG.

    Mayweather 17 and Hearns 18.

    I wasn't lying when I said I consider it close between them.
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Manny had already been iced by Marquez, he had shoulder surgery 5 days after his fight with Floyd, and Floyd took PEDS which was covered up by USADA.
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hearns did lose, but then again, he fought better fighters.

    We don’t know if Floyd would even have fought the same calibre of guys that Hearns fought, let alone have beaten him.

    It’s okay saying he never lost, but we have to look at who he fought.

    He definitely has better second tier wins.
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Does Manny’s injury or Floyd taking PEDS influence the ranking of the win?
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your opinion carries no weight when you think that a win over Austin Trout is better than a win over Henry Maske.
     
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  9. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Mayweather is top 10 and Hearns is top 20.
     
  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    I never said Austin Trout was a better win. You have reading comprehension issues. Perhaps more school would be a good idea for you.
     
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    No, Manny had been fighting with that injury for years and was allowed to use a WADA banned steroid, Celestone, in order to prevent inflammation. He raised his arms after the fights which proved the lack of severity as it's physically impossible to do that with a severe tear. I had a partial tear once and couldn't raise my arm after. I never got surgery and my shoulder might be a little sore afterwards if I had to box today, which you've never done in your life.

    Floyd has not been proven to have use PEDS. Electrolytes are not PED's.
     
  12. Loudon

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    You said that Canelo’s wins at 155 and below were better than any of Hill’s wins.

    You said that wins over Tiozzo x 2 and Maske, don’t compare to wins over Trout, Cotto and Lara.

    Ha!
     
  13. Bokaj

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    Yes, Leonard and Hagler were better than anyone Floyd fought. No question about that. Barkley weren't, though.
     
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  14. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He raised his arms after, which proved that he wasn’t hampered? Ha!

    He had surgery 5 days later.

    Watch the fight again.

    Electrolytes aren’t PEDS?

    It was a masking agent.

    750ml.

    In secret.

    That was after he’d asked USADA to put a clause into the contract, where he could obtain a retroactive TUE just incase he needed it.

    The head of the NSAC who hosted the bout didn’t even know that Floyd had taken that IV until 3 weeks AFTER the fight. Ha!

    Corrupt USADA never even notified them.
     
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  15. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Has to be said, that was a murky episode. The PED Police effectively paid for by the 'suspects'... ...what could possibly go wrong?
     
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