ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Tommy Hearns or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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ATG: Who Ranks Higher?

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  1. Tommy "Hitman" Hearns

    48 vote(s)
    58.5%
  2. Floyd "Money" Mayweather Jr

    34 vote(s)
    41.5%
  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    I never said Austin Trout was a better win. You have reading comprehension issues. Perhaps more school would be a good idea for you.
     
  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    No, Manny had been fighting with that injury for years and was allowed to use a WADA banned steroid, Celestone, in order to prevent inflammation. He raised his arms after the fights which proved the lack of severity as it's physically impossible to do that with a severe tear. I had a partial tear once and couldn't raise my arm after. I never got surgery and my shoulder might be a little sore afterwards if I had to box today, which you've never done in your life.

    Floyd has not been proven to have use PEDS. Electrolytes are not PED's.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You said that Canelo’s wins at 155 and below were better than any of Hill’s wins.

    You said that wins over Tiozzo x 2 and Maske, don’t compare to wins over Trout, Cotto and Lara.

    Ha!
     
  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, Leonard and Hagler were better than anyone Floyd fought. No question about that. Barkley weren't, though.
     
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He raised his arms after, which proved that he wasn’t hampered? Ha!

    He had surgery 5 days later.

    Watch the fight again.

    Electrolytes aren’t PEDS?

    It was a masking agent.

    750ml.

    In secret.

    That was after he’d asked USADA to put a clause into the contract, where he could obtain a retroactive TUE just incase he needed it.

    The head of the NSAC who hosted the bout didn’t even know that Floyd had taken that IV until 3 weeks AFTER the fight. Ha!

    Corrupt USADA never even notified them.
     
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  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Has to be said, that was a murky episode. The PED Police effectively paid for by the 'suspects'... ...what could possibly go wrong?
     
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  7. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    according to your minority opinion
     
  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Pull the quote up, OCD boy, and learn to read.
     
  9. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    So you agree that he had elective surgery for an old injury and Floyd was never proven to have used PEDs?
     
  10. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Active Member Full Member

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    Minority or not, there's a good case to be made.
    Their records prove that.
     
  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Neither of those influence it at all tbh. If Manny went in to the fight injured that's on him. If ever it gets proven Floyd is a PED cheat like everyone else, that's on him and them.

    What influences ranking is it was a past prime version of Manny, although it was also a past prime version of Floyd as well.
     
  12. Loudon

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    I can read. Although after reading your posts, I sometimes wish that I couldn’t.
     
  13. Loudon

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    If you can comprehend what you’re watching, you can see that he was hampered in the fight.

    Surgeons don’t operate unless it’s completely warranted.

    His surgeon was quoted after he’d repaired the damage.


    Never proven to have taken PEDS?

    Not officially.

    Like that means anything with the evidence we have.

    He had an IV which was illegal.

    The magnitude of it was also illegal.

    The NSAC were not notified.

    USADA are corrupt and incompetent.

    USADA don’t test B samples.

    USADA don’t notify commissions.

    USADA don’t do comprehensive reports.

    USADA have an in-house judicial system.

    USADA will put any clause which their employee requests into a contract, no questions asked.

    Shall we hire Columbo to help you piece it altogether?

    Floyd’s excuse was BS.

    1. He couldn’t have been severely dehydrated.

    2. Even if he had have been, he’d have just taken oral fluids.

    3. An IV of that magnitude is classed as a medical emergency, which requires admittance to a hospital.

    Hello!

    He had an IV in secret, on his home sofa without telling anybody.

    The commission who hosted the richest fight in the history of the sport had no idea until 3 weeks after the fight.

    How is that even possible?

    How are your comprehension skills?

    Yes, Floyd was guilty of taking PEDS.

    It just wasn’t made official, as USADA and the NSAC covered themselves, in order to stop a fall out of disastrous consequences.


    I’ll leave you with 2 great and appropriate quotes from the great Bob Dylan:

    “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows”

    “Money doesn’t talk, it swears!”
     
  14. Loudon

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    How can they not?

    If Manny hadn’t have been injured, it would obviously have been a better win.

    If Floyd hadn’t have had PEDS it would have been a better win.

    The circumstances have to have a bearing on the value of the win.
     
  15. NoNeck

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    TLDR.

    But I did read the pulled out of your ass statement about surgeons. Rotator cuff surgeries are generally elective for patial tears like Pacquiao’s, but he beat Bradley with the same injury and was allowed to use PEDs so no issue.
     


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