ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Tommy Hearns or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

You’ve been made to look like the fool that you are.

You can’t refute any of what was written, because you know that it’s true.

You’ve got 3 little default settings when things get tough:

1. You type out TLDR.

2. You tell people that they’ve never boxed.

3. You disappear for a while.

They’re all predictable yet amusing.

You referred to Duran as an ageing midget yesterday.

Like I said, we’re extremely blessed to have you here as a member.

 

You wanna know what my favorite one is to come from delusional Mayweather detractors?

If he had USADA in his pocket, as claimed, it would make no sense for him to use an IV to “mask” his urine because they could’ve passed his urine no matter what.

The truth is that Mayweather was one of the first to usher in Olympic style drug testing and was never scared of needles.

 

So then you are saying he demanded the same drug testing requirements on all his fights, same terms as Manny, from 2010 on? and everyone tested Olympic style time frames?

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjux5P04KrqAhUgA2MBHYrQAukQFjAAegQICBAB&url=https://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada&usg=AOvVaw24lK662eaZWR2o36Oje9BB

No, it’s not a biased Floyd bashing article.

Read it.

Don’t pretend that you’ve already read it, because I know that you haven’t.

It’s both extremely interesting and extremely worrying.

Every boxing fan should read it.

 

The guy that introduced OSDT to the sport was caught with an illegal IV on his sofa before their fight.

The guy who wouldn’t fight Manny for 5 years due to him being on PEDS, was actually taking them himself.

You couldn’t make it up.

 

Ah - this old chestnut. The indicator of a very, very short attention-span.

 

Read my post because I am not familiar with all floyds contract clauses from 2010 on?? let me know the answer .. legitimate question .. i do not know

 

I haven't memorized the specifics, but USADA and VADA are both similar and far better than the inept guidelines of state commissions. Mayweather was one of the first to start with extended testing which is why Manny was able to say he was "scared of needles" or whatever. That excuse wouldn't fly today because extended testing is accepted as a positive for the sport. Guys who use PED's usually cut a ton of weight for the weigh in; Maywether never fit that mold.

 

That’s what he says when he’s got nothing else to give.

 

I knew 100% what you were posting this before I checked the link. The problem is, Hauser is not involved in science or medicine, like me, and therefore the article reads as being very weak to a person with a science degree who practices medicine, like me. I use "unspecified" diagnoses all day when I'm at work btw.

Fun fact: I did the ocular exam for a boxer who currently holds a major title earlier this year. You sat on your ass.

 

I understand.. But here's my point. If you lobby for olympic style drug testing and require it in your fight with Manny as he did in 2010 then you need to have that consistently for the rest of your fights... because if you dont, the argument for it does not hold water

 

What would you like to know?

Before the saga with Manny, Floyd had zero interest in testing any opponent.

For the first 6 months, Floyd and Manny debated back and forth through the media.

Floyd never once mentioned testing. It wasn’t on his mind at all. He was only concerned with getting a bigger share of the purse. He gave numerous interviews and it was never brought up by anybody. Then in September of 2009, Floyd Snr spoke up and accused Manny of taking PEDS. And then Roger spoke up too. And they both had Floyd spooked. That’s when he wanted testing.

After negotiations with Manny fell through, he tested all of his other opponents. But he had no choice due to the fuss he’d made about Manny. He had to back up his claims or he’d have looked foolish. So yes, he did test his opponents afterwards. But not before. He’d been a professional fighter for 13 years until he suddenly became on a mission to clean up the sport.

When he employed USADA for the fight with Manny, he tried to put a clause in the contract where he could apply for a retroactive TUE for if he was found with anything in his system.

 

I am 100 precent familiar with the why the fight didnt happen ,,, both their egos but read my new post if you can , thanks

 

I think he used USADA for most of his fights from that point on.

 

USADA and WADA are night and day.

USADA don’t test a fighter’s B sample.

They don’t issue conclusive in-depth reports.

They keep things in-house and don’t notify the commissions.

They’ve only ever caught one fighter, and they let him fight knowing that he’d tested dirty.

They are corrupt and incompetent.


You keep ignoring the fact that Manny didn’t refuse to be tested.

You keep ignoring the fact that in 2012, he agreed to every drug testing demand of Floyd’s, before going on to do them with Rios, yet it still took a further 3 years for the fight to be made.

It was never about the testing.