ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Tommy Hearns or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

ok , fair enough

 

Ha!

Thomas Hauser doesn’t need to be involved in science or medicine.

How is that in any way relevant?

None of us need to have a medical degree.

He has reported their methods and their procedures, which have never been refuted.

None of us need a medical degree, to know that what they did was wrong.

They only test the A sample and not the B sample.

They caught Floyd with an illegal IV, yet didn’t report it to the NSAC who hosted the biggest fight in the sport’s history.

They let Floyd put whatever he wanted into the contract.

So who gives a F if Hauser hasn’t got a degree in medicine?

What he reported is a clear sign of corruption.

Stop trying to over complicate things.

We know what happened.

 

Sure.

I think we’ve had a misunderstanding.

What do you want to know?

 

Here's my point. If you lobby for olympic style drug testing and require it in your fight with Manny as he did in 2010 then you need to have that consistently for the rest of your fights... because if you dont, the argument for it does not hold water

 

Oh, I'm aware

 

Yeah, after he’d kicked up a fuss with Manny, he had no choice but to go with it for every fight after. So I believe that he did that. But he didn’t do it in the previous 13 years. And again, the fight still took 3 years to make even when Manny had agreed to everything. Which proves to me that it was never about the testing. That was just a smokescreen. IMHO, he feared losing to Manny. His father and his uncle had him spooked with stories of A-side meth etc. And a potential loss or an actual loss would have destroyed him mentally. If the testing was really the issue, he’d have asked Ellerbe to try and make the fight years earlier.

 

Get out of here, Leeds! You'll be saying that, for your money, Sugar Ray was always Mancini, next.

I like Ricky but that was an ambitious nickname to take on. The Lancashire Larruper or the Manc Tank might have been better.

 

I think this speaks to what @Loudon mentioned nearer the top of this page, i.e. once Mayweather had taken the genie out of the bottle, in order to fend off a bout with Pacquiao, he was stuck with it. And, to the best of my knowledge he was tested for every fight going forward. Although, I can't be sure if all of his fights used USADA as the testing agency.

The bigger problem, as I saw it (which is the essence of Hauser's article) was the promoters effectively controlling what is supposed to be an independent drug testing body, which should have been reporting to the State Athletic Commissions; not keeping the Commissions uninformed, while reporting directly to the promoters.

 

ok thanks . I didn't know ... but according to Roach in an interview, the fight was on but it was a difference in I think 5- 10 days testing disagreement that killed it ... I do not think Floyd wanted Manny in 2010, but objectively I think it was both of their Egos that killed the fight ... And I will always say that May does have the style advantage over Pac imo ... the fight was for 2010 ,, thats it for me ,, 2015 who cares

 

In other words, Mayweather was the first pro boxer to do extended drug testing for all of his fights.

The horror.

 

He made it an issue to gain an advantage .. It is as simple as that

 

Once again - no "other words" necessary. My post was quite clear. It's just that you seem not to comprehend English too well.

Why is it that, whenever it comes to discussions about Mayweather, you shave about 40 points off of your IQ?

An allergic reaction to the facts, perhaps?

 

If by that you mean disallowing Manny to use PEDs, you may have a point.

However, Manny was allowed to use a PED called Celestone when they actually did fight.

 

But your point was that it was never proven that May used PEDS with the I V situation ... so has Manny ever failed a drug test????

 

He hasn't but he did refuse extended testing.