ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Tommy Hearns or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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ATG: Who Ranks Higher?

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  1. Tommy "Hitman" Hearns

    48 vote(s)
    58.5%
  2. Floyd "Money" Mayweather Jr

    34 vote(s)
    41.5%
  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    I knew 100% what you were posting this before I checked the link. The problem is, Hauser is not involved in science or medicine, like me, and therefore the article reads as being very weak to a person with a science degree who practices medicine, like me. I use "unspecified" diagnoses all day when I'm at work btw.

    Fun fact: I did the ocular exam for a boxer who currently holds a major title earlier this year. You sat on your ass.
     
  2. surfinghb1

    surfinghb1 Member Full Member

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    I understand.. But here's my point. If you lobby for olympic style drug testing and require it in your fight with Manny as he did in 2010 then you need to have that consistently for the rest of your fights... because if you dont, the argument for it does not hold water
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What would you like to know?

    Before the saga with Manny, Floyd had zero interest in testing any opponent.

    For the first 6 months, Floyd and Manny debated back and forth through the media.

    Floyd never once mentioned testing. It wasn’t on his mind at all. He was only concerned with getting a bigger share of the purse. He gave numerous interviews and it was never brought up by anybody. Then in September of 2009, Floyd Snr spoke up and accused Manny of taking PEDS. And then Roger spoke up too. And they both had Floyd spooked. That’s when he wanted testing.

    After negotiations with Manny fell through, he tested all of his other opponents. But he had no choice due to the fuss he’d made about Manny. He had to back up his claims or he’d have looked foolish. So yes, he did test his opponents afterwards. But not before. He’d been a professional fighter for 13 years until he suddenly became on a mission to clean up the sport.

    When he employed USADA for the fight with Manny, he tried to put a clause in the contract where he could apply for a retroactive TUE for if he was found with anything in his system.
     
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  4. surfinghb1

    surfinghb1 Member Full Member

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    I am 100 precent familiar with the why the fight didnt happen ,,, both their egos but read my new post if you can , thanks
     
  5. NoNeck

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    I think he used USADA for most of his fights from that point on.
     
  6. Loudon

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    USADA and WADA are night and day.

    USADA don’t test a fighter’s B sample.

    They don’t issue conclusive in-depth reports.

    They keep things in-house and don’t notify the commissions.

    They’ve only ever caught one fighter, and they let him fight knowing that he’d tested dirty.

    They are corrupt and incompetent.


    You keep ignoring the fact that Manny didn’t refuse to be tested.

    You keep ignoring the fact that in 2012, he agreed to every drug testing demand of Floyd’s, before going on to do them with Rios, yet it still took a further 3 years for the fight to be made.

    It was never about the testing.
     
  7. surfinghb1

    surfinghb1 Member Full Member

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    ok , fair enough
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ha!

    Thomas Hauser doesn’t need to be involved in science or medicine.

    How is that in any way relevant?

    None of us need to have a medical degree.

    He has reported their methods and their procedures, which have never been refuted.

    None of us need a medical degree, to know that what they did was wrong.

    They only test the A sample and not the B sample.

    They caught Floyd with an illegal IV, yet didn’t report it to the NSAC who hosted the biggest fight in the sport’s history.

    They let Floyd put whatever he wanted into the contract.

    So who gives a F if Hauser hasn’t got a degree in medicine?

    What he reported is a clear sign of corruption.

    Stop trying to over complicate things.

    We know what happened.
     
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  9. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sure.

    I think we’ve had a misunderstanding.

    What do you want to know?
     
  10. surfinghb1

    surfinghb1 Member Full Member

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    Here's my point. If you lobby for olympic style drug testing and require it in your fight with Manny as he did in 2010 then you need to have that consistently for the rest of your fights... because if you dont, the argument for it does not hold water
     
  11. Man_Machine

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    Oh, I'm aware :lol:
     
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  12. Loudon

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    Yeah, after he’d kicked up a fuss with Manny, he had no choice but to go with it for every fight after. So I believe that he did that. But he didn’t do it in the previous 13 years. And again, the fight still took 3 years to make even when Manny had agreed to everything. Which proves to me that it was never about the testing. That was just a smokescreen. IMHO, he feared losing to Manny. His father and his uncle had him spooked with stories of A-side meth etc. And a potential loss or an actual loss would have destroyed him mentally. If the testing was really the issue, he’d have asked Ellerbe to try and make the fight years earlier.
     
  13. Eddie Ezzard

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    Get out of here, Leeds! You'll be saying that, for your money, Sugar Ray was always Mancini, next.

    I like Ricky but that was an ambitious nickname to take on. The Lancashire Larruper or the Manc Tank might have been better.
     
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  14. Man_Machine

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    I think this speaks to what @Loudon mentioned nearer the top of this page, i.e. once Mayweather had taken the genie out of the bottle, in order to fend off a bout with Pacquiao, he was stuck with it. And, to the best of my knowledge he was tested for every fight going forward. Although, I can't be sure if all of his fights used USADA as the testing agency.

    The bigger problem, as I saw it (which is the essence of Hauser's article) was the promoters effectively controlling what is supposed to be an independent drug testing body, which should have been reporting to the State Athletic Commissions; not keeping the Commissions uninformed, while reporting directly to the promoters.
     
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  15. surfinghb1

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    ok thanks . I didn't know ... but according to Roach in an interview, the fight was on but it was a difference in I think 5- 10 days testing disagreement that killed it ... I do not think Floyd wanted Manny in 2010, but objectively I think it was both of their Egos that killed the fight ... And I will always say that May does have the style advantage over Pac imo ... the fight was for 2010 ,, thats it for me ,, 2015 who cares
     
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