ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Wright or Tszyu?

Trinidad vs Wright was at 160.

 

Plus Wright moved up in weight to face 2 future hall a famers and challenge for the middleweight crown. Come on people this shouldn't even be close. Tszyu sucks. Just Judah! Just Judah!

 

So you guys are saying Winky beating Shane Mosley - A great fighter I grant you - But a former LIGHTWEIGHT champion is more meaningful than unifying a division?

Kostya was knocked out by a supposed "C" class fighter? Have you even seen that fight? Winky might not have been stopped but Julio Cesar Vasquez dropped him 3+ times or something in his win over Winky. KT lost twice at his weight.

Winky beat Bronco Mckart twice, once on a DQ, lost to Harry Simon and Vargas in close fights, but his Trinidad, Hopkins, Taylor and Quartey fights were not even at 154! Trinidad was hardly "prime", Hopkins and Taylos

Tszyu's record and resume are superior in terms of achievement at the weight class he was best at and that is evidenced by his resume clearly in my opinion.

It's not a knock on Winky - I never said "He's a **** fighter" - That plainly isn't the case, I just think Tszyu achievemed more.

 

Tszyu beat something like 12 former current or former world champs in his career dude - Winky's signature WINS were over a former lightweight champ mate!

 

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When did he achieve more? Not in the pros. He unified the Jr. Welterweight division. WOW! Who did he beat in their prime? The Jr. Welterweight division sucked when he was champ. Btw Cool Vince was a tough C class fighter!

 

You bring up Vasquez but Vasquez > Phillips not only that Winky was still somewhat green his first big fight. Not to mention a prime Shane Mosley is light years better than anyone on Zoo's resume. Winky unlike Zoo showed the ability to move up in weight and arguably beat the linear champ at 160 and went up to 170 to face another ATG in Hopkins which he lost a close fight. Zoo was koed by a crack head and quit on his stool against Hatton these things can't be overlooked. Winky had the better career, beat and faced better fighters history will favor him over Zoo.

 

Pimp - HOW is beating a "prime" (post two losses to Vernon Forrest was his prime and not his victory over Oscar at 147?) Mosley - A former lightweight - A significant acheivement when he was a natural 154lber? Three losses in his prime vs one loss in his prime to Tszyu.

So you make an excuse for Winky being "a bit green" so that's ok? Well in that case the Phillips fight doesn count because Tszyu was in the midst of his court case to get out of his contract with Bill Mordey which was affecting his entire life here in Australia.

Tszyu defended his title 13 times over two reigns, Winky 7 times.

If you seriously contend that "Juniour Welterweight" sucked at that time, you obviously were playing with your pokemon's when that was happening as 140 was universally regarded as the deepest division in boxing when Tszyu ruled it.

Winky's best wins were a semi retired Trinidad and an undersiszed Mosley.

Tszyu's historical standing is firmer for sure in terms of his place in the divisions history.

 

Pimp C - Just to clarify - I'm not accusing you of what this clown said about the Jnr Welter division sucking when Tszyu ruled it.

But to take your point - Tszyu achieved more in the pros and the amatuers for that matter.

Both are HoF locks, Tsyzu ahead slightly in ATG status.

 

Tszyu won a world title in his 14th pro fight. That's pretty ****ing green for a world title fight. He didn't get sat on his arse winning that either.

A prime Shane Mosley wasn't a 154 fighter. A Balco customer Mosley after the Wright fights had 4 fights at 154, With 1 win (over ODLH, never a true 154), 2 losses and a NC.

That is not a prime Mosley, fighting 20 pounds above his starting weight.

Without the roids, Mosley is a welter, probably about right for a man of his size and age.

Yep, the moving up in weight is a plus for Winky. Losing in a dire performance to Hopkins, himself having 2 losses to Taylor, then a win over a Rocky-ised Tarver, is not a plus IMO.

'Arguably' beating means **** all unfortunately.

Yep, those 2 losses weren't great. Thing is, every one of Winky's 'great' wins were over guys well above their best weight, and at the very end of their career. Career wise, Mosley being the exception.

Who are the great wins on Wrights resume anyway?

1000 yr old Quartey?
a very faded Trinidad?
Mosley? We've mentioned that one already.

Seriously, it's easy to tear any guy down if you want to.

 

As the guy above me said, the jr welter division was talked about being the deepest around when Tszyu was champ, especially around the time Zab and Kostya fought.

 

You bring up some good points but we agree to disagree.:good Zoo's loss to Phillips was a very bad loss a loss in which he was koed and had no business losing that fight he was such a big favorite in. Zoo's two best wins Mitchell and Zab are hardly anything to write home about neither fighter is even HOF worthy. No matter what you say about Mosley he was still a P4P fighter at that time he just ran into to someone with a styles advantage over him and got beat.

 

dont forget he was ROBBED against vargas and he almost dropped taylor in the corner Wright won that fight in my eyes aswell but I cant argue that because winky didnt fight round 11 and twelve. Stzu name came from Judah.