ATG's Who Never Beat A Fellow Great

come on Addie what about a guy like Ricardo Lopez had great ability but never really had the opponents to showcase his full potential?

 

Billy Graham above Holman Williams? Whatever I'll stop nitpicking, but I don't know if I like that judging criteria too much SS, just saying.

 

Tricky one. If you're going to add ability as a criteria it shouldn't be too predominant. We can't be giving Ricardo to much credibility for looking wonderful against average fighters. We can give him more credit for being consistent.

 

I think it depends on whos list it is how much you weight it, i personally would weigh it quite heavily, but i would not disagree with someone who didnt weight it any where near as much as it is after all opinion based.

 

Oh, OK. Thanks for the education. Run along now.

 

Ability should be the primary ranking criterion for fighters we have extensive footage of, IMHO. Obviously the level of opposition plays into it, as they'd have had to have been proven against at least some world class or elite competition to really be able to judge. Pretty much every fighter that's in a discussion like this passes that test though, so I definitely think a fighter's ability at his best should be taken into high consideration.

 

Well would Ricardo rate high in ability in the first place? Did he have an inside game? Did he have the ability to adapt?

 

He'd rate extremely highly as a technical mid to long range boxer-puncher, that's for sure. His inside game was relatively untested, but from what I saw of him on the inside he seemed more than able to hold his own with sharp counters, slips, rolls, blocks, etc., albeit against the same hapless opposition. I think he showed that he was a great fighter through his consistent dominance, and in the fact that he was able to come back and conquer the hardest test of his career at the tail end of it. That speaks a lot to a fighter's character.

 

After losing to McLarnin? He never beat a decent fighter again. Ambers beat the **** out of Tony before the McLarnin rematch, which is why McLarnin was favourite in the rematch despite losing his very previous fight to him. Tony's win against McLarnin was his last great showing. After that he was done.

McLarnin might have been past his prime for the Canzoneri rematch, but he clearly still had something left. Being the bigger man probably didn't harm him either as his career came to a close (he did outweigh Canzoneri and Ambers by 6 or 7 pounds a piece in those respective bouts - something not altogether weird for McLarnin though, who held similar weight advantages in his wins against Mandell, Miller, Singer, Fuller and Ross too).

 

SS just realised thats not much of a top 130 theres only 129 names on there what a fake

 

I think Lopez would have been allowed to look more vulnerable if his opposition was more capable.

 

I got owned by Microsoft excel. The list started in the second column and I thought I had 130 fighters atsch

 

How would you alter it to make it fairer?

 

whos a candidate for 130th

 

By not having Billy Graham above Holman Williams.