Ok i know lot of you have different thoughts on ATG's but go with your own thoughts on who really is a all time great and can you find a ATG with smallest record. Essentially this fighter must of achieved great things in a short space of time and had more quality then quantity on record. :good Might be a crap thread and closed early but thought i might as well post it and see...
I wouldnt rate him too highly personally, hed be at the lower end of the 20's in my atg heavyweight list.
There have been guys that have achieved highly impressive feats in a short amount of time of course. Sung-Kil Moon had only 20 pro' fights I think. Certainly a great of the lower weights. Jimmy Carruthers is probably as good a shout in the same vein. He was THE World champion 118lber and retired in about 18 fights with some very good wins. But not even a top 20 ATG Bantamweight, though certainy a great achievement and a top class fighter. If we're talking ATGs (!!!) then Fenech is a good shout thus far. Emile Griffith arguably attained 'ATG' status in about 27 fights, against Welters and Middles AND claimed the 147lb title. Sweet Pea in about 31 or 32 fights. Ray Leonard did most of his best work within 32 or 33 fights. Roy Jones had beaten Malinga, Hopkins and Toney within 30 fights and looked good enough that if he'd retired then he'd still be seen as a 'great' IMO. If Muangsurin had won the 140lb title (Cervantes, and later Benitez had it during the Thai's 'reign' as WBC titlist) then a World title in 3 fights, I think 7 defences in a year and wins over Monroe Brooks, Guts Ishimatsu, Jo Kimpuani and, taking the 'win' over Mamby at face value, he'd be regarded as a 'great' IMO, though certainly a curious oddity of one. As it was, he achieved top contender and dangerman status and had his prime punched out of him within 15 fights. Not 'great', although arguably a 'great' Light Welterweight.
Mike Tyson deserves a fair mention I think, im pretty sure between the Douglas and Williams fight people would have been considering him an atg, not just for talent, but a quality reusme aswell. He had around 36 fights or so at that time. 95 per cent of his legacy was already complete by the age of 23.
First one to spring to mind was Ray Leonard and Pea. I think Jeffries had a few more fights than his Boxrec record suggests, but I've never studied him in depth. Kell Brook? :yep
Yoko Gushiken only had 24 fights, and he's certainly one of the best Lt. Flyweight champions of all time. Yuri Arbachakov likewise had only 24 fights at Flyweight. Jiro Watanabe was one of the best Jr. Bantam champs, and he had just 28 fights. Flea's boy Khaokor had just 26 fights. In the grand scheme of things I wouldn't call any of these guys "all-time greats", but they were all top notch fighters. Only ones I could think of that haven't been mentioned with less than 30 fights.