ATGs with the weakest resumes?

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    You and Panama Lewis can talk that one out. Arguello was done before the second fight had started, so yes questions remain.

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    That wasn't Panama Lewis. That was a bitter ex fighter of his with a grudge. Again, nothing orally works that quickly.

    Also, Arguello fought twice in between the Pryor fights and won both, a wide points win and a TKO, one against a former world champion, the other against a man who had beaten him in 1978, yet he was fine for the first Pryor bout and finished by the second?
     
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    LOL at trusting Panama Lewis over “bitter ex fighter” Luis Resto. I’d accuse you of being Panama himself except he’s probably illiterate. Maybe you’re his nephew or something.
     
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    I don't trust either of them. Just because one cheating liar tells me how another liar cheated doesn't mean he is telling the truth.

    I do, however, understand the human body. Nothing, taken orally would work in a matter of seconds.
     
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    If he were swigging it in the locker room and earlier in the fight, it would’ve taken effect. A lot of drugs, especially in liquid form, also have sublingual absorption which is practically instant.
     
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    So with that logic because one fighter has one big win in his career he automatically becomes a better fighter ? That logic doesn't really work does it ? Phillips was a solid fighter nothing more nothing less.

    And I would say wins over Cervantes, Arguello, are better wins than vs 18-0 Tszyu.

    As for Hatton? Well that's not comparable at all is it to Pryor's loss to Young ? Pryor was coming back after an almost 3 year lay off, and was a total coke head by the point fighting at weightclass he'd never fought at.

    Tszyu on the other hand was still considered the best Jr Welterweight in the world, and was coming off a good performance against Mitchell. And was the favourite to beat Hatton.
     
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    Tsyzu win>Cervantes or Arguello, considering Cervantes’ recent form and the black bottle.
     
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    Cervantes, Arguello, are great fighters Tszyu is not atleast in my view.
     
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    Cervantes was old and showing cracks heading into the Pryor fight. That was not the perception with Tsyzu before Hatton.

    Like I’ve said many times already, Arguello was past it for the rematch and Pryor cheated in the first fight. Arguello also got nothing done at 140.
     
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    How do you rate Tszyu at 140 ? my opinion has changed on him in his recent years, i used to rate him more highly until i really studied his resume and found there wasn't that many big stand out names in there. Achievement wise for his title defences he probably has to rate in the top 10, but i don't know for me i don't really consider him a great and certainly not an ATG for me. At best i guess you could consider him a lower tier great ?
     
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    Tsyzu was tier 2 h2h at 140, but so was Pryor.

    There aren’t a lot of deep resumes at 140 so I’d imagine he deserves to be top 5 or very close to it.
     
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    Nobody mentioned sublingual though. And nobody mentioned liquid form. Everyone says crushed up pills. Liquid drugs still need to be absorbed in the stomach and sublingual tablets don't absorb instantly, they take time.
     
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    When Cervantes and Arguello lost to Aaron is very important before you say they’re better wins.
     
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    @Journeyman92

    Is beating an 18-0 Kostya Tszyu better than beating two great fighters who were still good although bit past their prime ? Not for me no.
     
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    It's got to be Joe Calzaghe