Attention Margarito defense attorneys. Here is your argument

They alays had two different stories and theyre going to. They werent both in the dressing room. Nice try though :think

 

Mosleys also changed his story.

 

I thought so too at first, but at second glance he didnt. What he said originally was he didnt think Margarito did anything wrong. Second interview he said he knew it was plaster. He didnt say I knew margarito was loading his gloves with plaster. He's basically saying he didnt think Margarito knew. Which Fat freddy and the gang have used as pro margarito argument on several occasions.

 

I understand clearly but I'm sure some don't is my point.

You don't need a degree to understand where calcium comes from, sulfur is a bit tougher to understand.

You learn the **** as a kid on the periodic table.

The point is they released a statement saying calcium and sulfur traces were found within the wraps.

These can be found in many common gym items powder, talc, epsom salt sweat, anti fungal and itch creams.

I've never heard anything about calcium sulphate or calcium sulphate hydrate from the lab results.

 

Man you guys are still at it about Margarito.

The guy had a foreign substance in his gloves. His trainer admited it. The margarito camp has not denied the foreign substance. What it is is another arguement but teh fact is they planted something there. End of story.

He's guilty.

 

that is not what i am saying. i have no vested interest in one side or the other so cerrect me if i am wrong. margarito was accused of putting plaster in his gloves by richardson and shanes doctor (i am not counting shane because your article indicates he was going by what his doctor said) but the findings have yet to confirm that in fact it was plaster. saying we found traces of some chemicals present in plaster is not the same as saying " yes, the pads contained plaster". now are they saying this because they cant prove it is plaster or are they trying to soften the original accusations to protect margarito? either way it is the same level of shadyness as making a fighter #1 contender when he doesnt deserve it and i for one am not comfortable with choosing which type of shadyness i condone. we should hold ourselves to the same standards we demand of these crooks. define yourself and pick which patch of moral ground you are going to defend. i just want some consistency in the process. again, correct me if i am wrong on any of this.

 

in your professional opinion, are the labs findings irrefutable evidence that it was plaster and could not have been anything else?

 

I cmpletely agree, and that is exactly what ive been trying to say. Read my post about the two opposing views of the csac.

 

:huh

 

don't get me wrong, material analysis of organic and rendered chemicals is not my area of expertise, sports medicine and developmental endocrinology are. however, again, i am a physical trainer, sports rehabilitation coordinator and physician's assistant, not a doctor. i am sure that even a dedicated lab technician would have much a more vast knowledge of everything going on here than i do. i happen to have an education that provides a significant, but certainly not complete or comprehensive inside knowledge of this issue and have encountered a lot of this stuff of thing in my work and experience in and around the sport of boxing.

that said, the lab's findings, as made publicly available, say only that they found traces of certain sulfur bearing, organic starch-heavy, plaster-like substances. it would be highly unlikely that the classifications of material found on the wraps would accidentally be rendered by the pairing of antifungal cream with old gauze or anything else that has been suggested.

it is highly unlikely, to the point of a near statistical certainty, but, i suppose, not impossible...however, it is impossible to say or make a judgment because there has been almost no verifiable public statement indicated just what tests were run, how exactly the samples were stored and what alien elements might have been legally or illegally on margo's hands or in contact with the tape or wraps.

what was suggested as a defense of margo is scientifically flawed in its reasoning, but that does not mean that there might not be some other possibility...the lack of information and organized, , expedient serious testing by the comission is, as i first mentioned, at the root of the problem here.

i am not playing executioner for margo here, what i am saying is that none of the alibis explain all or, in some cases, any of the presence of strange, questionably legal substances. for example, if margarito had abnormally high level of iron in his blood, his sweat and dead skin could, when it came into contact with water and gas-state oxygen (air) and then enclosed in a humid setting (inside a glove). the potential causes of such high iron levels might be, but are not limited to hereditary haemochromatosis which is a genetic disorder, extreme alcoholism, dietary excesses and chronic haemolytic anaemia. there are many more unlikely but somewhat plausible explainations...none of them have been the ones margo's defenders have chosen, ironically enough. the only defenses that have been offered make no good sense biologically, chemically or logically.

 

i understand the reason some of the alternative explainations may seem absurd to someone in the know but the reason we are considering such possibilities is that the powers that be are not providing the answers these tests were suppose to provide in the first place. there must be a reason for this and it doesnt seem to be that clearing up the matter is the reason. it seems to me that no one can say as of now that margo is guilty of putting plaster in his gloves or that he is not, yet all those uninformed bystandards have allready convicted him and are no longer interested in geting to the truth of the matter. now would a person not pushing an agenda be satisfied with the current state of the matter? personaly, i dont think so.

 

i agree with you completely on that. and, i should say, i ought to apologize for being notably shitty in some of my responses...the heat of the debate led my not to watch what the hell i was typing out, which isn't much of an excuse, but, well, it is what it is. i realize in looking at some of the things i posted i came off like a real ****, so apologies for that, that wasn't cool at all. i've been baffled and sick with this whole thing since it spiraled out of control and came to dominate so much discussion in the sport while nothing productive was happening in the few circles where it would actually make a difference.

 

no worries, i do the same thing all the time so i dont judge a poster by just one thread. thanks for the input.