ATTN. SWEET PEA: do you still agree w/kg that pacman won't last 5 rounds with hatton?

What the hell, I'll take a crack. I'd still probably favor Hatton over Pacquiao as long as he's able to fight his fight without being too restricted, though I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for Pacquiao to win, as he's adjusted to higher weights better than I would've thought. He's a physical anomaly, but the problem is, while being an exceptional fighter in a P4P sense (in that he's capable of fighting effectively at a larger variety of weights than most), he hasn't distinguished himself from the competition in any weight he's fought at. In fact I'd probably favor current fighters over him at every single weight he has fought at, though he still ranks higher than any of them P4P for his abilities to fight so well at a larger quantity of weight classes. That's what really stands out about Pacquiao for me, his weight-jumping and physical abilities, not his technical skills (though he's improving constantly), which is why I'd pick a number of the top guys to beat him at their respective weight. He'd be competitive with pretty much all of them (perhaps up to 140, we'll see), but there's no way he beats them all, and his record does nothing to suggest it. If you actually look through it without being blinded by his recent win he's really only had the big upset wins over Barrera and De La Hoya, as most didn't have him legitimately beating Marquez in either fighter and Morales was well past it by the time Pacquiao got to him in the rematches.

The Barrera win was legit even though Barrera was suffering from out of the ring issues in his training. I don't think Barrera would've ever beaten him. However, if you *******s actually think the Oscar he beat was in any way indicative of how he'd fare with a prime (or even an in-shape Oscar of recent years, such as the Mayweather or Mayorga fights) Oscar or any top WW for that matter, you're quite simply delusional.

If he beats Hatton at 140, I'll give much more credit than his win over Oscar, as he was nothing but a walking corpse in the ring, and Hatton has shown that he still has it and fights very well at 140. I've always maintained that Hatton is an overrated fighter that most top technicians would expose, but I'll give Pacquiao his just dues if he beats him nonetheless, as it would be a very good accomplishment for a fighter who's natural fighting class is around 130.

What exactly do you mean by alibis though? People that come to my defense? How can I stop other people from posting their own rational thoughts when you continue to post nothing but delusional nonsense? I don't control other poster's thoughts or actions. Unless you meant aliases (in which you really don't have a right to talk johnco) and simply lack the education to come up with a fitting word. I assure you I have no aliases on this site, unlike yourself.

 

atschIt's a good thing Rico's not in here.

In all fairness, Pac has improved by leaps and bounds since then, but I still find it hysterical when Pac fans favor him over any of the greats at the lower weights.

 

Interesting reply...

Simple question. If PAC wins.. No if's.. No but's.... no as long as....no could have... no would have...Would you give 100% credit to PAC?!

There is a FLAW on your comment. It means if you don't like the way he fought you could easily say...hatton lost coz he was a bit hesitant, restrictive... c'mon you could say more than that?!

There is a built in loop-hole in your comment.

If I will agree with your premise then If I don't like to give 100% credit to PAC I'll just say...

"You see it was a good fight by Hatton but you see Pac was a little restictive... hesitant.. a bit off that night! He was not the PAC that I expected him fight?!"



BTW, the short video that you posted was ages ago! 8 to 10 yrs ago?!
It's all immaterial now.

For me, If HATTON wins I'll give him 100% CREDIT
if PAC wins, WHAT credit will you give him?!


Would you care to make another comment?!

 

A) I didn't post that gif, I just quoted it.
B) I already acknowledged everything you just said about Pacquiao's improvement since then.
C) If Pacquiao beats Hatton, I'll give him full credit barring any out of the ordinary circumstances, which there shouldn't be. It will be a very good win for him, maybe his best all things considered, though I've always believed Hatton to be overrated.

I've given my views on Pac as a P4P fighter; what I rate him highly based on, and why I don't rate him as highly as others. I take level of opposition into account far more than simply paper titles or weight jumping endeavors, though Pacquiao's abilities to fight so effectively with such fluctuating weights is very impressive. I just don't believe he's distanced himself from any of the classes he's fought at or the top fighters fighting at them.

 

Fair enough!

I hope there will be NO ACCIDENTAL head butting coz defenitely by either one of them coz any HEAD BUTT can chance the course of fight!

Cheers!

 

Hatton has been on the decline lately, but it'd still be a great win for Pac. I like Hatton and all, but I've never thought of him as a P4P talent, I thought he got too much credit for the Zoo win, over a Zoo that just didn't seem to want to be in there, but he's ridden that win for everything it was worth.

It'd be a good fight, and I'd still lean a little towards Hatton, as he's going to fight in a rough style, he might be able to wear Pac down.

Yet a dominating Pac win wouldn't surprise me as well.. and it may be an excuse, but Ricky hasn't been getting any younger or better.

 

I agree with SweetPea 100%, Hatton KO Pac

 

How old are you btw?

 

As with many of Hatton's fights, much would depend on how it was reffed.

I still believe a more competent ref in the Kostya fight would have brought a different result.

If Hatton is allowed to emulate Ruiz and turn it into a wrestling match, he could probably prevail.

If he's warned for excessive holding or chooses NOT to hold, but rather fights from further back, then I can't see him winning a round, much less the fight.


The observation that Oscar was a walking corpse is presented with the benefit of hindsight. i8 months ago, he took the best fighter in the world to an SD. And 7 months ago, he virtually shut out a good fast (if smaller) WW in Forbes.

In another thread, I posted that I didn't understand Oscar's weight and nutrition strategy coming in where he did. It gave away his advantage. On fight night, he simply wasn't the bigger or stronger man.


With Hatton, as has been mentioned, I believe he's over rated. Pac is technically much better in nearly every aspect of the game.

Hatton has stated that no-one will ever beat him at 140. With Pac at 140, it's a pick'em fight.

And I'd lean very slightly to Pac.


As regards other fighters who would beat Pac, there are simply none below 140 that could be counted on.

THe baby Bull and JMM would have around 50-50 chances IMO.

But I would not favour anyone from 140 down.


Several current WWs would have their way with him though. 147 is a bridge too far. He should scurry back down.

And soon.

 

Reading threads like these makes me feel a bit like Sisyphus, sometimes.

 

I'm sorry to hear that Bul.

No penicilin in the Philipines ?

That's got to be a horrible thing to have , socially I mean.

Do your GFs know ?

 

Just kiddin' dude.

Deja vu, all over again, eh ?


:rofl:rofl