Attribute Ranking: Heavyweights

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  1. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Ranking which heavyweights had the best attribute in these categories in your opinion.
    Mine are:
    Power: Foreman
    Hand Speed: Patterson
    Footwork/Foot Speed: Ali
    Upper Body Movement: Tyson
    Head Movement: Tyson
    Reflexes: Ali
    Chin: Ali
    Stamina: Marciano
    Heart: Holyfield
    Jab: Holmes
    Combination Punching: Tyson (Louis close 2nd)
    Body Work: Tyson
    Defense: Byrd
    Offense: Tyson
    Ring IQ: Louis
    Timing: Louis
    Accuracy: Louis
    Counter-Punching: Holmes
    Inside-Fighting: Marciano/Frazier (can't decide which)
    Mid-Range Fighting: Tyson
    Outside-Fighting: Ali
     
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  2. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am not sure.

    I think Louis was a better combination puncher than Tyson, I would give the Ring IQ to Gene Tunney, Speed can be part in 2, foot and hand, I may give Patterson or Dempsey the hand speed, and give Ali foot speed, Heart?? All ATGS would have the same value of heart. Holmes had a great jab, but I also think Louis, Liston, Tunney and others had a good jab as well. Defense, I would give to Jack Johnson, Offense to either Marciano or Dempsey, Schmeling has a good argument of being the best counter puncher in the heavyweights.
     
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  3. CharlieFirpo85

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    I mostly agree. Here is my version.

    Power: Foreman (yes, he can hurt guys with all kinds of punches in the book + almost all variations of them)
    *Speed:
    Handspeed: Patterson
    Upper body: Tyson
    Overall: Ali

    Chin: 1: Chucalo, 2: Ali / Marciano
    Stamina: Marciano
    Heart: Holyfield
    Footwork: Ali,
    Jab: Holmes, Liston
    Combination Punching: Tyson / Morrison
    Body Work: Tyson
    Defense: Byrd
    Offense: Tyson
    Ring IQ: Schmeling, Ali, Patterson
    Timing: Louis
    Counter-Punching: Holyfield, Schmeling
    Inside-Fighting: Marciano/Frazier (can't decide which)
    Mid-Range Fighting: Tyson
    Outside-Fighting: Ali / Holmes
     
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  4. Gazelle Punch

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    Power: Foreman
    Speed: Tyson/Ali/Louis
    Chin: Ali
    Stamina: Marciano
    Heart: Holyfield
    Footwork: Wlad
    Jab: Holmes
    Combination Punching: Louis
    Body Work: Marciano
    Defense: Wlad
    Offense: Liston
    Ring IQ: Tunney/Archie Moore
    Timing: Louis
    Counter-Punching: Marciano Frazier tyson
    Inside-Fighting: Frazier
    Mid-Range Fighting: Tyson
    Outside-Fighting: Lewis
     
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  5. Marcus_Italicus

    Marcus_Italicus New Member Full Member

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    Speed: Dempsey. The quality of the videos can be deceiving. Dempsey was lightning fast in arms and legs.

    Chin: Jeffries and Chuvalo. Jeffries took tremendous beatings without going down. Chuvalo, 93 fight, never down. Ali had great chin, but not at this level. He was put Ko by Cooper and saved by the bell, was knocked down by Wepner and Norton, in Frazier III no longer able to continue and was saved from the opponent's retreat

    Power: Perhaps we should distinguish by type of punch. Uppercut right Foreman, right cross Baer, Marciano, left hook Jeffries and Dempsey etc.
     
  6. Showstopper97

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    It's debatable. It's definitely between these 2 when it comes to the best combination puncher in heavyweight history. It's not even up for debate. However, I favour Tyson because he had a better
    variety of combinations (i.e the bolo uppercut), used angles to throw unpredictable combinations & threw unorthodox punches that Louis couldn't imagine
    Not true. They all have heart, but different levels. Some have more than others
    They do, but I'm saying who I feel had the best jab. Imo Holmes
    True in that case Handspeed: Patterson Footspeed: Ali
    Meh. The tapes are not clear enough to see how good his defense was
    Good shoutouts
    Very true
     
  7. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    He was fast, but faster than Louis, Patterson, Ali & Tyson?
    Those guys had great chins, but let's clear some misconceptions about Ali. He was green as grass against Cooper, he was never dropped by Norton & the Wepner knockdown should have been ruled a slip (he tripped over his foot).
    Just power in general. Imo it's Foreman. Yours?
     
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    Power: Foreman
    Hand Speed: Patterson
    Footwork/Foot Speed: Ali
    Upper Body Movement: Moore
    Head Movement: Frazier
    Reflexes: Ali
    Chin: Baer
    Stamina: Marciano
    Heart: Holyfield
    Jab: Holmes
    Combination Punching: Louis
    Body Work: Jeffries
    Defense: Johnson
    Offense: Louis
    Ring IQ: Schmeling
    Timing: Louis
    Accuracy: Louis
    Counter-Punching: Schmeling
    Inside-Fighting: Frazier
    Mid-Range Fighting: Tyson
    Outside-Fighting: Wladimir

    I'd add clinching: Johnson
     
  9. White Bomber

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    What does power mean ?
    Punching power or the ability to out-muscle opponents in clinches ?!
     
  10. White Bomber

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    Power:
    - if it's about punching power: Wlad
    - if it's about out-muscling opponents: Lewis
    Speed:
    - handspeed: Tyson,Patterson, Ali, Tubbs
    Chin: Vitali, McCall, Tyson
    Stamina: Marciano
    Heart: Marciano
    Footwork: Ali
    Jab: Liston
    Combination Punching: Tyson by a mile
    Body Work: Tyson
    Defense: Tyson
    Offense: Tyson/Liston
    Ring IQ: Ali
    Timing: Ali
    Counter-Punching: Tyson, Holyfield
    Inside-Fighting: Bowe
    Mid-Range Fighting: Tyson
    Outside-Fighting: Lewis, Ali, Holmes
     
  11. Showstopper97

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    I mean punching power. Ability to out-muscle someone is physical strength, not power.
     
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  12. heerko koois

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    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Someone show me the time frame of multiple fights that went deep into rounds where Mike Tyson had this great head and upper body movement consistently.
     
  14. mrkoolkevin

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    Deontay Wilder belongs in the "power" conversation.
     
  15. Blaxx

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    Power: George Foreman
    Hand Speed: Joe Louis
    Footwork/Foot Speed: Muhammad Ali
    Upper Body Movement: Joe Frazier
    Head Movement: Muhammad Ali
    Reflexes: Muhammad Ali
    Chin: George Chuvalo
    Stamina: Rocky Marciano
    Heart: Evander Holyfield / Joe Frazier
    Jab: Larry Holmes
    Combination Punching: Joe Louis
    Body Work: Mike Tyson
    Defense: Jack Johnson
    Offense: Joe Louis
    Ring IQ: Gene Tunney
    Timing: Joe Louis
    Accuracy: Joe Louis
    Counter-Punching: Sam Langford
    Inside-Fighting: Riddick Bowe
    Mid-Range Fighting: Sonny Liston
    Outside-Fighting: Larry Holmes / Muhammad Ali / Lennox Lewis