Great logic there mate. Maybe Calzaghe should be higher up the P4P list than marquez - marquez has 3 losses...
My logic was based on the same logic used by the OP to suggest that Mundine is now Aussie P4P #1 - Vic's loss :deal
I think what the OP was getting at is what I've been trying to say this whole damn time. YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR LAST FIGHT! The fact that Vic got dominated for a few rounds and KO'ed decently early by a good but not overly great opponent, slides him down a few rungs and leaves the top spot to our only other world champ (or interim champ, whatever you wanna call him) who YEARS after losing his last fight to the no. 2 fighter in the division (not by brutal KO either) he has since won that world title (or interim title), beaten top 5 Green and top 5 middlweight soliman, and is on form. If Vic was to get an immediate rematch and win, I'd put him back on top spot. But getting a rematch and winning it will be very hard for Vic. But each to their own. I see this as simple. But you may have your own criteria. Doesn't matter me one bit.
I don't agree with your criteria of "you're only as good as your last fight" in regards to P4P rankings. A boxer doesn't gain immediate P4P ranking, nor does he move up rapidly in the P4P rankings once there, based on a single win. Therefore, a single loss shouldn't drop Vic below Mundine. If we do use your criteria though, does Mudine really deserve to be above Vic based on his last fight? But at the end of the day, P4P cannot be scientifically proven, and will always be subject to people's opinion, and nobody has a right or wrong opinion :good
Its probably a toss up between mundine and vic. Neither has really beaten anyone on a world class level though. Im really hoping that in a year its going to be Katsidis though, I reckon he has the tools and heart to go all the way.
From a foreigner's point of view (mine) it would be something like: *** clear no. 1 *** 1. Mundine, with beating Green and Soliman he made a pretty wide gap between himself and #2. *** clear no. 2 *** 2. Vic, lost to a guy 99% of boxing fans would say "don..who?" to. Is fighting in a more shallow division than Mundine and will therefore have to be clear no. 1 there in order to be competitive with Mundine. *** 3-6 places are hard to place because an argument could be made for a different ranking *** 3. Green, Green imo. is a question mark. He lost clearly to Mundine and has yet to make a mark at LHW. Still he has some decent performances from earlier. Most notably Lucas. 4. Soliman, he did well against Winky but was impressively taken to pieces by Mundine. Soliman needs to stay at LMW. 5. Briggs, a couple of good fights with Adamek, but Adamek's loss to Dawson has to hurt Briggs overall standing. 6. Bika, while he does really not have any good wins.... he has some decent showings against good opposition. He should fight a level below what he has been doing and get some actual wins under his belt. Still, he has proven that he can sort of hang with the best, but also that he cannot beat the best. *** Places 7 and 8 are close, but Katsidis may have had the best opposition or at least he has made more waves with showmanship etc. *** 7. Katsidis, I was probably one of the first to write about Katsidis on ESB. I did so after seeing him dressed as a roman at the Kessler-Mundine fight in Sydney. He has clearly lightyears ahead of the rest on that undercard. I still have hopes for him, but so far he has not done much. 8. Oganov, unbeaten but also untested. Maybe he is much higher maybe he is much lower... noone knows.
My Aussie P4P Top 25... Something Like This 1. Anthony Mundine 2. Vic Darchinyan 3. Paul Briggs 4. Danny Green 5. Michael Katsidis 6. Lovemore N'dou 7. Gairy St Clair 8. Sam Soliman 9. Sakio Bika 10.Naoufel Ben Rabah 11.Jackson Asiku 12.Victor Oganov 13.Ranee Ganoy 14.Hussein Hussein 15.Nadel Hussein 16.Kali Meehan 17.Nader Hamdan 18.Shannan Taylor 19.Billy Dib 20.Daniel Geale 21.Daniel Dawson 22.Rob Medley 23.Anton Solopov 24.Allan Luxford 25.Jamie Pittman Just Outside: Ben Crampton, John Cotterill Jnr, Daniel Lovett If Oganov beats Rubin Williams well, he should squeeze into my top 10.
They are great prospects mate, but extremely untested. Should Geale fight & beat Shannan Taylor well, he moves up towards about 14 or maybe higher:good. Medley well there aint much left at Welterweight for him in Australia. Must get quality imports.:deal
Personally I think you have got Katsidis rated a bit too highly. I'm a big fan of Rocky but his win over Earl shouldn't place him over the likes of Briggs or Green yet, who have faced far more world class opposition. I think Pittman will be climbing this chart very soon, too. Absolutely massive for a middleweight, he's going places imo.
Yeah i felt the same in hindsight when i compiled it. I will re-place him just below Danny Green for now. Alot could change in the next week.:good Pittman will move up for sure now. Some good matches in & around at that weight too in Australia. Geale, Dawson, Solopov, Taylor & Pittman now too.:deal
I dont think you've placed Kat too high at all. He's the only one other mundine on that list to have a current World Title.
I have decided i will keep him at 5. Should he win convincingly against Amonsot, could very well move to 3. Biggest wins for Katsidis are Earl & Ganoy you have to realise. Briggs has beaten current world champ Stipe Drews. Green well has never looked better since going up to 175. We will find out more come this wednesday.
Funny observation by most others, is how high they have Oganov. Im a massive fan of his (as u can tell by my avatar), BUT some people obviously lack knowledge about our other boxers, & only know Oganov coz of his imposing record. People look at the record on paper of say a Jackson Asiku, & dont realise how good he really is.
