Australian Boxing/SM Memorial thread

Who are those 3 world champions? Name them please?
As for the b-level guys...Aussie b-level is more like our d or e level ....
Location hasn't stopped ye producing top athletes in other "(soft)" sports....why not boxing? Ye seem to have lost that pioneering spirit. Maybe today's Aussie kids have it too soft or something.....

 

Name them? You're the one who's come in here spouting off about the inadequacy of Australian boxing.

I'll help you out by giving you a clue about an undisputed champ who fought his whole professional career out of Australia after coming here for the Sydney Olympics - he's in my avatar.

We had a bunch of guys turn pro around the time of the Sydney Olympics who had tremendous professional careers. Most won major world titles of some description, one became undisputed champ & the others fought for versions of world titles in competitive matches.

Most didn't fight in the UK though (although a couple did). I think that's where the problem from your perspective lies. You only ever get to see D or E level Australian fighters because they're the ones your promoters bring over.

In short, don't hate on Australian boxing. Hate yourselves instead.

 

That another thinhpg sandman. On the rare occasions an Aussie boxer ruses to the top, it usually turns iut that he isn't evenaustralian at all!!

Seriously who is your best genuinely native born and reared Australian boxer of the last 30 years?

 

So we're not allowed to count guys who fought their whole professional careers out of Australia in considering the merits of Australian professional boxing?

That's a bit harsh. If a guy decides to base himself in Australia and fight professionally out of Australia, I think he's entitled to be considered part of the collective entity that is Australian professional boxing.

I've always supported fighters from other countries who have travelled here to launch professional careers & will continue to do so despite the petty prejudices & biases of people such as yourself.

To keep you happy, I'd go Jeff Fenech as our best "native" Australian fighter of the last 30 years. At his best, I'd certainly rate him higher than Barry McGuigan.

I personally enjoyed the professional boxing careers of Kostya Tszyu and Vic Darchinyan just as much as Jeff Fenech's. Seeing them unify all the major world championship belts is the pinnacle of the sport as far as I'm concerned. I feel privileged as an Australian boxing fan that I've got to see two blokes fighting out of this country reach the summit of the sport. Not sure how many guys fighting out of Ireland ever have.

Behind those three mentioned, there's been a truck-load of genuine B-level fighters who have provided many memorable moments to savour. Jeff Harding's WBC light-heavyweight title win was probably the best of those.

Just looking at the class of 2000 (guys who turned pro or came to prominence around the time of the Sydney Olympics) we had Anthony Mundine, Danny Green, Sakio Bika, Naofel Ben Rabah, Skinny Hussein, Hussy Hussein, Lovemore Ndou, Michael Katsidis, Daniel Geale & Robbie Peden.

Most of those guys won major world championships and were genuine B-level guys. Of those who didn't, all fought for world championships & in some cases against the very best fighters the sport had to offer at the time (guys like Pacman, Wonjongkam & Arce).

Only a couple on that list ever fought in the UK.

I think your promoters specialise in matching your blokes with D & E-level Australian fighters so you can feel good about yourselves.

 

I don’t count Kostya Tszyu or Vic Darchinian as Australian.
I would say the best Aussie fighters of the last 20 years or so have been Mundine, Katsidis, Paul Briggs, Peden, Hussein brothers, Green, Geales. Agreed all B level guys but all much better than the current crop of Aussie fighters.

 

I think the young talent we've got coming through now is some of the best I've seen.

Maybe not an A-level guy among them but I think a few have the potential to be solid B-level guys.

 

Can trolls not spoil the SM memorial thread? Delete, delete.

 

The Irish bloke is just ignorant about the contribution guys fighting out of Australia have made to the sport over the last 30 years.

That ignorance stems from many years of watching D and E-level Australian fighters go face-first when brought in as opponents for UK fighters.

The reality though is that the best fighters we have don't fight in the UK or Ireland & never have (other than on rare occasions).

Still waiting for him to tell us about all the guys fighting out of Ireland in the last 30 years who became undisputed or three-weight division world champions.

Maybe they're like leprechauns - they don't exist.

 

To be frank, u could be right. I'm usually pretty negative about the Aussie fighters last few years but this current batch coming through are slightly better than what we have been seeing last 10-15yrs.

 

Ireland is only a tiny island. You probably have farms or whatever ye call em that are bigger than our whole country in Australia. Despite this we've produced, from this tiny island, with its tiny population, fantastic fighters like Steve Collins, Wayne McCullough, Barry mcGuigan, Katie Taylor, Carl Frampton etc etc....oh and one actual leprechaun Paddy Barnes!

It's safe to say that even in a direct head to head comparison, never mind s pro-rata comparison, Ireland beats the brakes off Australia.

 

How many of those guys unified world titles?

I'm thinking of a number less than one.

Btw, Jeff Fenech > Barry McGuigan.

 

It's a good conversation to have regarding who has better fighters. If you take in northern Ireland and rep ireland it's about a 3rd of Aus in population. Now you must remember, the more affluent and advanced the society is the less likely they are to partake in a brutal sport like boxing. A country like Norway or even Hong Kong have very few great boxers for example. But i bet those two countries are far superior than most in children schooling.

Now getting back to Australia v Ireland, you also need to look at the different sports on offer, the climate and overall circumstances about their culture and what drives each individual.............. Ireland also have a long tradition of tough mean persona whereas Australia is a laid back country with a lot of opportunities.

Anyway head to head in boxing, Ireland do far better.

 

Ha ha ha lol

You forgot to add Luke Jackson > Carl Frampton

 

Excellent post...

 

Not based on the names he mentioned they don't.