Avatars for sues2nd, mike464 and Marnoff; Dorfmeister - who won our bet?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Apr 20, 2008.


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  1. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In my opinion, Hopkins won the 1st, the 3rd ( the 2nd could have gone either way), won the 7th ( when he staggered Calzaghe in the end and after a series of arm punches that hit thin air from Cal), and he won the 11th( again the 10th could have gone either way). Joe clearly won the 4th, 5th, 6th ( with that beautiful straight left hand), 8th and 12th... Therefore, I had the fight even at the end of 5th ( 47-47), end of the 7th ( 66-66), and 11th ( 104-104)... Technically, Calzaghe could never have dominated the boxing match but Hopkins could never have competed physically with Calzaghe either.
     
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  2. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :huh

    Of course we weren't going by the official scorecards, as I had made clear several times before the fight...the cards were always going to be close, unless Calzaghe stopped him, we thought.

    Did Hopkins win more than 3 rounds clearly?

    No, he didn't.

    But you thought he would win at least 4 rounds clearly!;)

    He won rounds 1 and 2 clearly...that's all. The rest are up for debate. The fact that Calzaghe only won 3 and 11 is a different matter; the way Hopkins fought (cheating), it's how to imagine how he could have won much more. Given that Calzaghe underperformed, he wasn't going to win many rounds clearly except by getting a KD.

    If you don't want to honour the bet, I cannot force you to. :conf
     
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  3. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you say that I have to honour a bet based on your opinion that Hopkins only won two rounds and that all "unclear" rounds should be given to Calzaghe, I have to accept your avatar pic... But let me just say that I find ridiculous that I should lose the bet because you guys don't trust the judges in Vegas, don't trust many unbiased sources from England and the US and think that Hopkins was dominated by Joe... I didn't say that Hopkins would win rounds clearly or that a KD would be what it takes to win rounds... Just said that Hopkins would never lose a shutout decision... Enough of talk, let me have my avatar because I am not about to go back to past threads to check what was exactly the agreement.
     
    Dorfmeister, Apr 21, 2008
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This post is entirely accurate in every way.
     
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  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    The avatar would have been a picture of your choice, different from the one you currently have one...as I said in the opening post...:deal

    BUT: forget our bet; it's off; don't worry about it.

    Calzaghe only won two rounds clearly himself, so it's not like he's done much either...

    ...let's call this one a draw, Dorfmeister.:good
     
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  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :-((

    If one fighter wants to come to fight and is making the fight by being the aggressor, and the other one is purely spoiling, and no one lands any punchs...who should be the winner, if any, oh, wise one?

    Quite a lot of boxers could "beat" Calzaghe the way Hopkins "beat" him - by spoiling and killing the fight and cheating and taking minutes off, etc. That doesn't make you a p4p Top 20 fighter though...does it....wise one...?
     
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  7. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But it wasn't a draw verdict so I can't call our bet a draw... B'sides, this is the only avatar pic that says anything about saturday night... Calzaghe won the Ring LHWT Championship and I have no problems about it - I actually liked him to prove Hopkins wrong about british, euro boxing and race - we r all 1. Joe is a great fighter and like I do mean what I say, he's possibly the best european fighter since Marcel Cerdan.
     
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  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It wasn't a draw. Hopkins won less than 3 rounds, not more. The rest could have been given either way...I gave some to him, some to Calzaghe, so did you and so did the jugdes.

    Anyway...if you changed your avatar for me, so will I, for you...
     
    Decebal, Apr 21, 2008
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  9. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The wording of that bet doesn't seem fair. Neither man won many rounds clearly. You can imagine a scenario where one guy wins a fight 120-108 on all three cards and doesn't win a round clearly!
     
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  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It was made in the context of Calzaghe v. Kessler comparisons. Kessler won 4 clear rounds against Calzaghe. I said Hopkins would not do as well. I was right.
     
    Decebal, Apr 21, 2008
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  11. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I suppose it depends on what you mean by clear. Did Calzaghe win any "clear" rounds?
     
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  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yes, I thought he won 2 clear rounds against Hopkins - 2 and 11. He did better against Kessler of course, but then...that was a good fight...a real boxing fight, unlike the stuff we saw on Saturday night...
     
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  13. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Yeah, but the only thing you are incorrect about is that Calzaghe won 8 or 9 rounds very cleanly. If the other does nothing and you are controlling the fight, landing more shots in the process, then how is the round up for grabs? Specifically you said 3 and 11 were his only clear ones, there was another round where he landed twice as many telling punches as he did in the 11th, believe it was round 8 or 9.

    Then he undisputedly took the 12th also. No way was it an undecisive victory, a poor performance, but it was easy to score.

    Hopkins ought to have had many points deducted also.
     
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  14. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No offence but I don't think you should contribute to this discussion. Your bias towards Calzaghe will always get in the way.
     
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  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yeah...if I had scored it as I wanted to score it, I would have given almost all of the close rounds to Calzaghe because he was the one making the fight. Hopkins was killing the fight and spoiling it, when he wasn't taking breaks that is...

    However, when I scored it close, I wanted to give Hopkins the benfit of the doubt as much as possible...so I disregarded that rule. I also watched the fight on a bad video so, I couldn't tell all the time how effective Calzaghe's flurries were. I assumed they weren't, to give Hopkins a further advantage. Calzaghe still won, though...

    As I said, many, many fighters could have stopped Calzaghe from winning more than 2 clear rounds, if they had been allowed to get away with the stuff Hopkins pulled. But then...most people try to fight and win, not stop the other guy from fighting/winning. Even Bika tried to make it into more of a fight than Hopkins. He was dirty and tricky, but at least he was trying to win and giving Calzaghe a chance to box/fight, unlike Hopkins.
     
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