Avatars for sues2nd, mike464 and Marnoff; Dorfmeister - who won our bet?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Apr 20, 2008.


Page 5 of 8
  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,998
    48,087
    Mar 21, 2007
    He won't get into any top 15 now.

    He broke my top 100 on Saturday night, 3 more wins could see him higher still.
     
    McGrain, Apr 21, 2008
    McGrain, Apr 21, 2008
    #61
  2. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,846
    0
    Sep 10, 2005
    I have no problem if Calzaghe fans have it to Joe by a point or two - it was a close fight. I really hate that some of them are trying to turn it into some kind of dominate victory. We had it after the Kessler fight: "Calzaghe dominated Kessler". No he didn't it was a close fight and he won. He dominated Lacy! That was domination. The Hopkins fight was very close so just be glad that your man won.
     
    mike464, Apr 21, 2008
    mike464, Apr 21, 2008
    #62
  3. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

    18,436
    20
    Jan 16, 2005
    Absolutley. Everybody should learn to score a fight correctly, seems many people don't, it's up to Amsterdam and the righteous crew to do this, especially when I get some money...

    When I get some money.. I'll buy some fancy equipment and create a website and a 12 step program on how to score fights, showing how little subjectivity comes into play and then it'll solve your issue's.

    Put some DVD's up for sale also, you can get a discount for being an ESB posting mate.:deal
     
    Amsterdam, Apr 21, 2008
    Amsterdam, Apr 21, 2008
    #63
  4. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

    18,436
    20
    Jan 16, 2005
    Hope you didn't think I was serious about top 15.

    I don't know where he ranks, I was highly dissapointed with the match, I'm letting it cool down and re-assess him.
     
    Amsterdam, Apr 21, 2008
    Amsterdam, Apr 21, 2008
    #64
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

    34,525
    7
    Mar 10, 2007
    In that case, he was naive and ill-preapared. That doesn't make me think more highly of him either. You can put one fight down to a "Who the **** is this guy!? Bika-style peformance, but the whole world knew Hopkins would have great balance, change of pace, footwork and defence and a good right too, at least for a couple of rounds...Enzo certainly did...Calzaghe just came in unprepared...:patsch
     
    Decebal, Apr 21, 2008
    Decebal, Apr 21, 2008
    #65
  6. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

    18,436
    20
    Jan 16, 2005
    We'll get a better idea of what the issue was next couple of performances.
     
    Amsterdam, Apr 21, 2008
    Amsterdam, Apr 21, 2008
    #66
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,998
    48,087
    Mar 21, 2007
    This is accurate.

    Calzaghe showed good heart (came back from four points down on my card) but little composure. Calzaghe basically **** himself.

    Hauled it back in though. The plan he adopted from four onwards was close to perfect in the circumstances.
     
    McGrain, Apr 21, 2008
    McGrain, Apr 21, 2008
    #67
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

    18,436
    20
    Jan 16, 2005
    Yeah, maybe. But it doesn't make it any better, that's just an explanation of 'why'. I just wanted to see an utter perfect domination, something he honestly was capable of.
     
    Amsterdam, Apr 21, 2008
    Amsterdam, Apr 21, 2008
    #68
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,998
    48,087
    Mar 21, 2007
    I do wonder sometimes.

    He's between 95 and 105 on a good composite list in my view.

    I loved the fight and frankly it went exactly as I thought it would. The fact that you can say the same makes me wonder about the sanity of one or the other.
     
    McGrain, Apr 21, 2008
    McGrain, Apr 21, 2008
    #69
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

    34,525
    7
    Mar 10, 2007
    It wasn't a dominant victory at all. Calzaghe performed poorly. He didn't prove he was better than Hopkins. He did, however, prove he was better than Kessler. Of course, the former was not really a boxing fight, whereas the last one was. You can put a lot of it down to the fact that Hopkins killed the fight, but if Calzaghe was as good as I thought he'd be, he would have done more to avoid Hopkins' spoiling tactics and he'd have imposed his own winning gameplan onto Hopkins...he didn't do enough of that at all...poor performance. Hopkins was a digrace, though.
     
    Decebal, Apr 21, 2008
    Decebal, Apr 21, 2008
    #70
  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

    18,436
    20
    Jan 16, 2005
    Maybe, but you have to understand, I rank Mayweather in the 80's, I need more from Calzaghe. Couple of more will cement him where he should be, he's still a H2H wizard.
     
    Amsterdam, Apr 21, 2008
    Amsterdam, Apr 21, 2008
    #71
  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

    34,525
    7
    Mar 10, 2007
    :patsch
     
    Decebal, Apr 21, 2008
    Decebal, Apr 21, 2008
    #72
  13. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,846
    0
    Sep 10, 2005
    :good apart from Hopkins being a disgrace which I naturally do not agree with.
     
    mike464, Apr 21, 2008
    mike464, Apr 21, 2008
    #73
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,998
    48,087
    Mar 21, 2007
    No version of Calzaghe would have dominated Hopkins. I'm not being glib when I say this version of Calzaghe might be the one you are better off with against any version of Hopkins. He may have learned how to make these subtle changes at the highest level against Kessler.

    Hopkins looked in good nick and had a fine plan. He was unseated a little bit by Calzaghe's beautiful positioning and enormously underated timing (off the attack rather individual punches).

    Here's a historical parallel (That you won't appreciate at all ;) ). When Corbett fought the old Sullivan, he attacked every time Sullivan tried to drop his guard, reposition or rest. Keep him wired. Something similair here. Hopkins was forced to take many, many more steps than he wanted to and this is part of the reason Calzaghe was able to win the (Crucial - yes, crucial) 12th round.

    Maybe Calzaghe would have been overly keen to rush Hopkins in 2001. I think that this Calzaghe perfromance is already being underated, not least by yourself. It was a different kind of wine.
     
    McGrain, Apr 21, 2008
    McGrain, Apr 21, 2008
    #74
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

    34,525
    7
    Mar 10, 2007
    Of course he was a disgrace - he tried to get away with murder in there. He didn't come to win. After he got tired, he aimed to spoil the fight and stop Calzaghe from doing his thing. That's not fighting...that is chess. Negative chess.
     
    Decebal, Apr 21, 2008
    Decebal, Apr 21, 2008
    #75
Page 5 of 8