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No I can appreciate the parallel, at the very least they were the top professional gladiators of their time and knew the measure of fighting skill that worked then.

 

He backed off and waited to land counter shots. Calzaghe was doing a fair bit of clinching too if you're referring to that.

 

100's.

Those 3 wins would get him to the 70's, Mayweather is just simply doing nothing and you've read my critique's over him above 130...

Where the real comp happened to be. He was a massive 130 and the 130 division he dominated was HARDLY full of top 10's(all time for the division), but he dominated them to near perfection, fair enough.

I need to see Floyd in with a top elite fighter, never seen it just yet, Cotto is basically the only one around on the elite level.

Coupled with his definite first loss to Castillo, whom is Castillo, not a real P4P'er or anything...

How can he rank amongst the top 50?

Top 20 talent and skill? Yeah, lower portion of it, but that's not all there is to fighting, if so, Monzon would not be a top 25 ATG.

 

What are you arguing here? Calzaghe performed as well as he would EVER perform against Hopkins on Saturday night at any given point in time and at any level of motivation.

Simply put, Joe struggles against fighters like Hopkins. Calzaghe, against aggressive boxers who come forward is absolutely top drawer - I don't think that it gets much better than JC vs someone with aggressive intent. Joe Calzaghe vs a boxer on the backfoot, a defensive type of counterpuncher is a different animal. The same one we saw on Saturday night. He sneaked out a win and personally, I'm very happy with that. Hopkins is pretty much the ultimate nightmare (in terms of style) for Joe. He's clever and knew what he had to do before he went into the fight. The difference was that Joe didn't know how he was going to win until about the 4th round.

He appeared weaker than Hopkins and respected BHops right hand. But in my opinion he did just about enough to win. That's great, leave Hopkins alone and go back to looking good against the Pavliks of this world who he'd deal with with ease in my opinion.

 

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No, he disagree's with me constantly. I'm less an analyst now because I just don't care as much anymore, many factors are ruining the sport for me and I just want to enjoy it, even though I still stand my ground on the underrated/overrated unfairness factor, which makes me sick.

Floyd being the biggest example of overrated, Cristian Mijares being a top 5 level master and getting no press.

 

It's okay, he still to this professes that Ricky Hatton is a better all time and all around fighter than Calzaghe, that's enough to just laugh off his hatred for Joe.

 

No, he's not over-rated. He has difficulty with fighters who sit on the backfoot, so what? There hasn't been a fighter born who doesn't have a few weaknesses. In spite of his struggles, he won the fight, end of story - he proved himself to be the better boxer over 12 rounds. That's all he needed to do.