Average Reign of Champions?

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  1. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Does anybody know how long the average champion holds a title? I am wondering both in terms of title fights and years. The records for each division mostly hover around twenty defenses or a little lower. Joe Louis was champ for twelve years, Bernard Hopkins was IBF champ for ten, but even the best champs only tend to reign for three or four years. I'm guessing that the average is something like a year and a half or two years and maybe two defenses. Twelve defenses is downright unusual. So what's the average? We've got like 60 major belts in the sport and I'm just wondering what the average turnover in a year is. How many new champs can we expect to see each year and at what point does a person's reign become statistically significant and an outlier? Usually, when a guy has six or seven title fights under his belt, I start to get the feeling that he's legit.
     
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  2. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    I don't know the answer to your question, but Wilder is pathetic.
     
  3. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    He's an obvious exception. But even with him, he's gotten farther than I thought he would. I did expect Stiverne to beat him in their first match and then I expected some random can to get lucky and spark him out which hasn't happened. He's not special, but I think it's fair to say that he's proven that he belongs in the top five right now. If I had to guess at this moment then I think he might be a Tommy Morrison, Gerry Cooney, Shannon Briggs level talent, which actually isn't terrible.
     
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  4. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So many variables, like Wald dominated for a decade, would he have dominated with AJ & Fury around? I don't think so, he'd lose a few, so would Fury and AJ. HW division is also full of knock-out artists who can change a fight with 1 devastating blow, even from highly unfavoured guys like Mccall & Rahmen cutting LL's reign short at the top. There's also the jumping up divisions, like RG would probably stay undefeated if he never jumped up a weight division too high, same thing might happen with Crawford.
     
  5. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Okay, let's look at some examples from the heavyweight lineal title, going off of wikipedia's list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lineal_boxing_world_champions

    John L. Sullivan 7 years
    James J. Corbett 5 years
    Bob Fitzsimmons 2 years
    James Jeffries 6 years
    Marvin Hart 1 year
    Tommy Burns 2 years
    Jack Johnson 7 years
    Jess Willard 4 years
    Jack Dempsey 7 years
    Gene Tunney 2 years
    Max Schmeling 2 years
    Jack Sharkey 1 year
    Primo Carnera 1 year
    Max Baer 1 year
    James Braddock 2 years
    Joe Louis 12 years
    Ezzard Charles 2 years
    JJ Walcott 1 year
    Rocky Marciano 4 years
    Floyd Patterson 3 years
    Ingemar Johannsen 1 year
    Floyd Patterson 2 years
    Sonny Liston 2 years
    Muhammad Ali 6 years
    Joe Frazier 3 years
    George Foreman 1 year
    Muhammad Ali 4 years
    Leon Spinks less than a year
    Muhammad Ali 1 year
    Larry Holmes 5 years
    Michael Spinks 3 years
    Mike Tyson 2 years
    Buster Douglas less than a year
    Evander Holyfield 2 years
    Riddick Bowe 1 year
    Evander Holyfield 1 year
    Michael Moorer less than a year
    George Foreman 3 years
    Shannon Briggs 1 year
    Lennox Lewis 3 years
    Hasim Rahman less than a year
    Lennox Lewis 3 years
    Wladimir Klitschko 6 years
    Tyson Fury 1 year

    Okay, that's 44 acknowledged lineal reigns according to wikipedia spread out over 131 years minus the 5 year gap between Klitschko and Lewis. 126/44= 2.8 years per lineal reign @ heavyweight.

    Now, we break that up into categories. 4 less than a year, 11 one year, 10 two year, 6 three year, 3 four year, 2 five year, 3 six year, 3 seven year, and Joe Louis. More than half of the champions have 2 year reigns or less. 13 percent will last 3 years. 7 percent last 4 years. 4.5 percent can dominate for 5. 7 percent make it a sixth year. 7 percent hold onto the crown for 7 years. And only one champion has made it longer.
     
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  6. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Okay, it took some time but I looked up how many defenses each of those fighters managed to put up.
    Fury 0
    Klitschko 11
    Lewis 2
    Rahman 0
    Lewis 6
    Briggs 0
    Foreman 3
    Moorer 0
    Holyfield 0
    Bowe 2
    Holyfield 3
    Douglas 0
    Tyson 2
    Spinks 3
    Holmes 12
    Ali 0
    Spinks 0
    Ali 10
    Foreman 2
    Frazier 4
    Ali 11
    Liston 1
    Patterson 2
    Johansson 0
    Patterson 4
    Marciano 6
    Walcott 1
    Charles 4
    Louis 26
    Braddock 0
    Baer 1
    Carnera 2
    Sharkey 0
    Schmeling 1
    Tunney 2
    Dempsey 5
    Willard 1
    Johnson 8
    Burns 13* At least half of these are questionable bouts against 0-1 or 1-5 opponents
    Hart 0
    Jeffries 7
    Fitzsimmons 0
    Corbett 2
    Sullivan 6* Half of these were stopped early by the cops.

    # of defenses
    0)13, 1)5, 2)8, 3)3, 4)3, 5)1, 6)2, 7)1, 8)1, 9)0, 10)1, 11)2, 12)1, 13)1*, 26)1

    Checking the data, it appears that more than half of the reigns lasted 2 or fewer defenses with 13 having no defenses. 30 percent of champions do not have any successful title defenses and lose it the first time out. 157 successful title defenses spread over 44 reigns should be an average of 3.5 defenses each reign.
     
  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Things have changed. Some fighters used to fight 8+ times a year back in the day. Does not happen at the top level nowadays. Fighters moved up divisions way less frequently. Nowadays, many and even most of the historically great fighters are making plans for the next stop the moment they arrive in a new one so years reigned and defenses made are much less. I remember was it at some point in 2010 or 2011 I believe there were only 4 lineal champions across the 17 divisions.

    Would be randomly nice to know. Would take quite a countless amount of hours to figure out, though.