Average weight of top 10 HW fighters throughout history

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  1. lufcrazy

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    There's been a lot of discussion lately about the size of HW fighters and how it has developed. As a maths teacher I'm quite a stats geek so I've done some minor research.

    I took the top ten of the TBRB for this year (last weight of every fighter in 2016) and then the top ten of the ring rankings for every previous decade (last weight of every fighter in the previous year).

    Just to compare and contrast some of the results.

    There is no context here whatsoever, just pure number work.

    2017 = 244.1
    2007 = 247.2
    1997 = 230.8
    1987 = 213.9
    1977 = 210.7
    1967 = 198.2
    1957 = 192.1
    1947 = 200.3
    1937 = 194.2
    1927 = 199.3

    Make of that what you will gents.
     
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  2. BCS8

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    People have gotten bigger.

    OR ... because there are more people now than before, statistically there will be more outliers which can slot into things like HW boxing?
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    There has not been a sub220 pound champion since Holyfield. And on fair cards he's 1-4 vs Lewis and Bowe.

    The talent at cruiser these days is very good! So if size doesn't matter how come they are all staying in a division that doesn't pay as well when the talent at heavyweight in 2017 is rather weak?

    Easy questions to answer, but for some difficult to admit.
     
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  4. Mendoza

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    Also if you are doing every ten years wouldn't 2007 fit? Why 2008?
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Well Wilder is the lightest man in the top ten and he has a realistic chance of unifying.

    So I guess to be a sub 220 champion today you have to be a little bit better than Wilder since he's a bit bigger than 220 recently (although he was below 220 when he won his title)

    To answer the question about CW though it's more to do with what a natural division is these days. The HW division has been massive for the last 20 years since the CW limit was highered. It makes sense to build a profile at CW then move up for the big fight, that seems to be what happens now.

    The notable CW sized HW fighters of the past decade are probably Byrd, Haye, Adamek, Chambers and you could argue Wilder.

    Of those 2 made a name at CW before moving up, the other 3 were willing to be naturally outweighed against their opposition.

    I wonder if there's any CW men right now that weigh more than Wilder on fight night. That would be interesting wouldn't it.

    Then again it could be that Wilder gets destroyed by Joshua and Parker and we never again see someone that size in the division. I doubt that highly because Usyk will move up at some point.
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    Typo, well spotted.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    I'm not sure if it's a mindset thing or not. With Lewis, Vitali then Wlad being on top for so long boxers might have spent their career heavier so they can compete on a more even playing field if they get a shot.

    I don't know.

    It could be that weight training is better now and people can more effectively put on weight, or the outlier theory as you say.

    I don't know the answer.
     
  8. BCS8

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    Well I could proffer up a few things to think about.

    1) Diet. Our diet has changed from the 1920's. Apparently since western type meals have started infiltrating the far East, people have also begun growing much larger there
    2) Western type = rich in protein, fat, sugar. This is conjecture, I guess. I don't know of any studies that proved this.
    3) Hormones in the food. Animals (especially chicken) are injected with growth hormones to make them mature faster in battery style farming. These hormones are then ingested by us causing abnormal growth in turn. They say chicken wings are the worst culprits cause that's apparently where they inject them.
     
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  9. Mendoza

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    Wilder ( 6'7" tall ) has been 226-228 in his last three fights. Hardly a cruiserweight. He's just one of three champions and has not obtained a top 2 rank. He's just an alphabet champion who has not defended against a top 10 ranked opponent. I smell some fraud here. Belts aside, he's more like the 4-5th best man out there.

    Interesting cases for Byrd, Haye, Adamek, and Chambers. None of them were really short. It seems 6' tall is the shortest of the samples. Most fighters making weight can shed 10 pounds then rehydrate. So their walk around weight near fight time is about 10 pounds heavier than their weight in amount, hence they are almost all over 200 pounds. I'd guess 208-212 for most of them in the ring on the " unofficial scale "

    I happen to think Usyk is excellent. He sparred with super heavies at bettered them. At 6'3" tall with a 78" reach and better skills than just about everyone, he can move up and make some noise.
     
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    But Wilder could have made cruiser weight for a large portion of his career. Probably not any more though but still he's not far above 220 himself which was was the cut off you used.

    Wilder isn't the best ATM, but he has a realistic chance of being the best one day, despite his lighter weight.

    Yes I agree about the height, that's exactly the reason Marciano is so divisive in these discussions because with him it's his whole frame which is smaller in every aspect. Most other champions throughout history aren't that much shorter or less reach than modern HW men, they just weigh a lot less.

    Discussing success of past greats who weight above 200 is a discussion about style. Those who weighed below 200 is a discussion about size. That's the key difference for me.

    He really can which throws a spanner in the works of those who think the division is too big for former CW men to compete in.
     
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    In 1927, all the real athletes were boxing. Buy 2045, every man, women and child will be participating in Yank football. That explains it all... or is it the other way around?
     
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    Yikes! I never thought I would yearn for the 1980s heavyweights again!

    2017 = 244.1 =SHW
    2007 = 247.2 =SHW
    1997 = 230.8 =SHW
    1987 = 213.9=HW
    1977 = 210.7=HW
    1967 = 198.2=HW
    1957 = 192.1=HW
    1947 = 200.3=HW
    1937 = 194.2=HW
    1927 = 199.3=HW

    Very interesting cycle of events. The weight stood within the 190-200 for 30 years until the 1950s where it then seemed to increase dramatically with each decade.

    Looks like the last three decades have been taken over by 230lb plus super heavyweights.

    I think it telling that the biggest increases are all after the shilstone/Spinks experiment and the end of the 15 round championship era...
     
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    ROIDS.
     
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  14. lufcrazy

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    Up until 1967 they'd all be CW divisions today on average.

    77 and 87 are traditionally considered HW sizes on average.

    Since then it's been above 230 which is a safe definition for SHW.

    Looks like in the 70's either PEDS were introduced or people got bigger naturally through diet or training.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    Obviously the change of 15 round era makes a huge difference. From 15 to 12 is a 20% decrease.

    So the same men don't have to be as conditioned in terms of stamina. It became more about strength and making an impact over shorter rounds.
     
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