Awful CBS Column: Boxing's bloody mess: Pacquiao meet McGwire

The overwhelming majority never tested positive for anything. That's what happened.

If not for Shane Mosley admitting to having dealt with BALCO after Conte kept saying his name nobody would know **** about him using EPO.

 

What happened with Marion Jones and prison time?

I'm at a loss here for how you are saying that because Mosley got away with cheating before that Pacquiao can get away with it now. How do you stretch that out and ignore the fact that testing has changed since 2003.

Anyone trying to use what Mosley did in 2003 will get caught today. But I'm getting the impression that you're saying that they will still get not be detected just because Shane and a bunch of others got away with it. I think you're clutching onto that idea too hard.

And as for Conte, he's got a book out or coming out. He wants his piece of the buzz too so I wouldn't believe him and instead recognize that the urine EPO test is being used, and even by USADA of all agencies.

 

There's ways to test for it by breaking down proteins and such. Neither test is definitive and the blood tests have actually shown to read false positives.

 

Is the NSAC using that test?

Also, I believe Conte reccomended taking blood so they could check the blood count because EPO doesn't stay detectable for long. I know the USADA does this and the NSAC doesn't.

No matter how you try to spin it, the olympic style testing is the best available according to all the good info there is on this subject.

 

Omg man. Please open your eyes and read. Btw the IOC trumps USADA as USADA works under the IOC. As in w/o the IOC there is no Olympics.

IOC = International Olympic Committee

 

Does the NSAC not routinely take one **** test before and one after the fight? Yeah, nobody can do what Shane did and get away with it.:roll:

Bottom line: The olympic style testing is far superior to the NSAC's standard testing.:deal

 

Yes, far superior to one or two **** tests. But they said all along they would take as many **** tests as wanted with a few blood tests. Floyds stubbornness may have changed that. We'll see.

 

The quote you posted said there is a test. I asked if the NSAC is using the test. Are they or aren't they? Simple question...

 

...And why in the world would the NSAC take any more than they usually do? I don't see them doing that just for the simple fact that it would basically be an admission that their current program sucks. Bob Arum's final offer: Let the NSAC decide.

 

I personally do not know. I can only assume that they would use a laboratory that can run the tests. I also don't know if they were checking for EPO before either.

I would however assume that if this goes thru that somebody would be testing EPO in all these random urine tests no?

 

That came after about 3 or 4 initial offers. A man can only try so many times. He was shot down with every other offer, so he tried one last time. The proof is out there that urine is as good a detector as blood for any PED, it all depends on how reliable and experienced the person conducting the tests are.

 

BTW, it was widely known that Mark McGwire was taking andro during his home run race with Sammy Sosa. Andro was perfectly legal at the time (matter of fact, I don't even think MLB had a PED policy in effect at that time), and has been banned since. I remember him saying that he didn't think it contributed to his HR output and that it was all "god given talent and hand eye coordination". Mark McGwire did take performance enhancers, and everybody knew it well before the congressional hearings.

Manny hasn't been proven to have taken anything, and the only thing suspicious to me is that he's refusing the best PED detection available.

 

This fiasco is akin to someone saying Gregg Doyel has an IQ of 70, and everyone spreading this rumor, and then his career being put into jeopardy unless he takes an IQ test administered by a professional and makes the results public.

A crackhead recklessly and selfishly accuses Pacquiao of using steroids with zero evidence and now Pacquiao is responsible for proving that it is false? You can make the same baseless kind of claims about anyone. Your mother is a witch. Prove to me that she isn't or we will all burn her at the stake. You are a pedophile. Prove that you aren't or we will throw you in jail. You stole 5 million dollars from a bank. You killed JFK. etc etc. Utterly baseless claims, but pac must slavishly disprove them or else they are true.

 

I know the USADA tests for everything as well as the blood count, so I have to believe their program is better.

 

He hasn't actually refused.