Azumah Nelson vs Hector Camacho At 130

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Azumah Nelson vs Hector Camacho At 130

  1. Nelson By PTS

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  2. Nelson By KO/TKO

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  3. Draw

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  4. Camacho By PTS

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  5. Camacho By KO/TKO

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  1. Flash24

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    Ok.........
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

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    It's a ripper isn't it, never stopped in 90 odd fights against any number of world champions including machines like Rosario, Chavez when post peak, Trinidad when well past peak and up in weights and boxes until near 50 yet Nelson is stopping him at his peak weight and in his best form.
     
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  3. Unforgiven

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    I'd expect Azumah Nelson to win a points decision.
     
  4. Flash24

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    Thank you, I may be wrong, but I don't remember him being knocked down in a fight, much less knocked out by anyone, yet A.Natural feather/superfeather is going to do the trick.
     
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  5. Saad54

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    He was knocked down at 140 lbs. by Reyes Cruz and by Trinidad at 147 lbs.

    At 130 lbs, he was not hit much at all. He was like Whitaker, but with faster hands and feat.

    Nelson wasn't even best at 130 lbs, his peak was really at 126 lbs.

    He had problems at 130 lbs with the likes of Mario Azabache Martinez.

    130 lb. Camacho would have a big hand and foot speed advantage over Nelson.

    He would use lateral movement and bursts of combinations to confuse and shut down Nelson.

    This isn't the post Rosario gun-shy Camacho.

    Camacho by wide UD.
     
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  6. Saad54

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    Nelson was better at 126 lbs than 130 lbs

    Camacho is the bigger guy in this matchup.

    He is faster of foot and hand

    He has better defense

    His power is close to that of Nelson

    His chin equals that of Nelson.

    And, no Azumah Nelson did not have shorter punches than Edwin Rosario.

    Rosario threw textbook right hands and left hooks.

    Nelson was often roundhouse with his shots.
     
  7. Xplosive

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    I'd take Camacho by comfortable UD. He was pretty damn awesome at 130. Nelson, while excellent, has become a tad bit overrated over the years. He was a good puncher, but didn't have the type of devastating power Rosario had to put Hector in a shell.

    Nelson is competitive and wins rounds, but Hector remains a step ahead.
     
  8. Xplosive

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    And Saad is on the money. Nelson did NOT throw shorter punches than Rosario. This is what I mean about Nelson being overrated.

    Not only was Rosario was a shorter puncher, he was a faster puncher, and he's the biggest puncher in lightweight history.

    As Saad said, Nelson peaked at 126. The Nelson that destroyed Gomez was Nelson at his very best.
     
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  10. Flash24

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    You jogged my memory, he was dropped by Trinidad. Still don't remember the Reyes fight. But at welter, he was well beyond prime, and dropped by one of that divisions hardest punchers.
     
  11. JohnThomas1

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    I highly doubt it.
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    Camacho's probably more overrated at 130 than Nelson is.
    Nelson was a primed seasoned fighter around the time he moved up to 130.
    Camacho's experience and accomplishments at that time of his career are less and a bit thin.
    He beat Limon and that's about it, right ? Or am I missing something ?
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    I just can't see what people see in the "Camacho at 130" thing.
    I've been watching his fights and I don't see anything quite so remarkable about him at that weight to justify the near mythical status. Yes he was young and fast, but the opposition was pretty bad. Rafael Limon was a good fighter but a bit past it already, to under state it, and easy to hit anyway.

    Camacho was a favourite of the American boxing magazines, and media, they were building him into a star. He had the flash and speed.
    I can't see what he achieved at 130 though to justify him being picked over Nelson or Chavez, as I've sometimes seen here too.
     
  14. Saad54

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    I don't think he has "mythical" status

    I'd give JC Chavez a shot at beating him at 130 lbs.

    Too bad that one didn't happen in 1984.

    Maybe Arguello if he could time him and land a straight right hand bomb.

    But Whitaker showed Nelson could be out boxed and prime Camacho had the slickness, defense and handspeed, plus the lefty stance to give a pressing Nelson nightmares.

    True, Camacho faced better competition at 135 lbs than he did at 130 lbs.

    But in totally dominating Ramirez and then surviving Rosario, he showed that there was substance behind the flash.

    He looked to be just as good at 130 lbs as 135 lbs, he just didn't have the competition to give him a tough fight there.

    Nelson would provide stern competition, but I don't think he has the skill set to out point a Camacho who has great defense and big advantages in hand and foot speed. And Camacho has the chin to survives any single big shot that Nelson manages to land. He showed against Rosario, who was more powerful and throw straighter shots than Nelson, that he could survive brutal one punch power. And Nelson is not going to be landing the combinations necessary to outpoint Camacho.

    Nelson had the greater career and is higher thought of overall.

    but prime for prime at 130 lbs, Hector wins by UD.
     
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