Baby Jake Matlala whoopin Michael Carbajal's ass

I just watched him like a few hours ago and hes similar do a younger Chiquita before he turned more boxer. Dont tell me about Chiquita ive been watching him before the rest of the boxing world took notice.

 

He rocked him a few times throughout, and really whipped him good in the 9th round when he came out and landed some flush shots from the start of the round and controlled the round with his aggressive, bustling work.

I think Johnson had quicker hands and feet than Jimenez really. Johnson could stand flat footed for sure, and when he did, Jimenez was making him pay, but in their fight Johnson employed some pretty good movement and was turning Jimenez around after getting his combos off often.

 

:good So how did you score the fight Sweet Scientist? I remember having Jiminez ahead by 1 point,but i have not seen it since they fought.

I agree with you that Johnson had good movement i also disagreed with Sweet pea on that one,and stated that he had better movement at 112 and was more flat footed when he moved up to 115 and 118.

 

Just put my scorecard up on the scorecard thread mate (at the top of the classic forum page).

I had Johnson taking it, but I can see how you thought Jimenez took it, for his punches seemed to be hurting Johnson more than vice versa and he was ending the rounds strong whereas Johnson was fading. But I gave it to Johnson for landing more clean shots basically.

Scoring this fight comes down to your scoring philosophy really. In some ways it mirrors the Morales-Barrera fights in that like Morales, Johnson was landing more shots throughout the rounds, and like Barrera Jimenez was landing less but rocking his opponent when he did hit him and often ended rounds the stronger after getting behind early in the round.

I would more often than not give Morales rounds in those scenarios and likewise here I was edging rounds to Too Sharp, but I can see the argument for the other guy, and it's a reasonable argument. :good

 

Ive watched Pascual Perez extensively so dint tell me about him. He doesn't resemble Chiquita IMO. Anyway, you're not allowed to comment if you only watched it on YouTube.

 

Anyway, you obviously saw what I was trying to do. Obviously you are one if the more biased posters on here.

I guess Lopez beats Perez as well?

 

HEEEEEEEEEEELLL YEAH:yep LOPEZ BEATS HIM!!!

IM NOT BIAS I JUST DONT GO ALONG WITH ALL OF YOU I HAVE A MIND OF MY OWN.

 

Stylistically though pal? How would it go?

People disagree on here all the time.

EDIT: Whats the point in being rude :good

 

nono Now Now MClovin you are crossing the line their, where i come from you get :vonnecunt or :gun:gun for talking **** like that:twisted:

 

And where I'm from

I edited before you quoted. Also, I responded back on the other thread:good

 

Perez IMO beats Lopez his movement, dynamicisy and strength is far too much for the littler Lopez.

 

Perez, whilst short but powerfully built for the weight. I think Lopez wuld find him hard to time, and as accurate as he was, that in and out trot, quality upper body movement, good chin and two fisted dynamit would see Lopez out of there in a competitive fight. 10th round, something like that.

Anarci, if you haven't seen a huge amount of Perez I go quite deeply into his style here, on a thread about Perez vs Chang, if you care to take a look :good




Well, since I saw this thread pop up as I was leaving work it's been playing on my mind.

Content to come up with something approaching a decent analysis, I came home, rolled two fat Skunk joints, and retired to my quarters to re-analyse footage of both men.

Now, I will be happy with either man winning, but I myself see it like this.

Perez's in-out movement literally resembles a horse trotting, and he knew how to keep a fight at 'his' range, dictating when/where he attacked using deft angles and with immense power in both hands. From the footage I've seen he seems to either propel himself into shots with alarming force, throwing Jofre-esque wide hooks to devastating effect, or sits down on his punches and throws hooks and uppercuts from very strange angles. Once he gets throwing he doesn't stop.

Chang used subtle shifts in movement (head and feet) and was an expert and cutting in on an opponent and sending a barrage of punches their way. He had serious power, but as Sweet Pea himself said (and I'm paraphrasing here) 'if he one punch power his opponents would be waking up in the hospital'. He was an accumulative hitter who could bang at times.

Now, for me there are several things NOT in Chang's favour in this fight. For one, he seems to me to be the kind of fighter that gets his offence off better against taller fighters (Zapata, Ohashi) though of course I am basing that on him not having faced someone as small as Perez. And from most of the footage I have seen being Chang vs opponents around the same height or taller, they find it hard to evade his attacks with his swarming all over them.

Here, I think Perez finds it easier to evade Chang's offence than Chang does his. There is less of a target for Chang here (though for his diminutive stature Perez was broad backed, probably lends him his power) and Perez, who seemed to have awesome head/upper body movement as well as a good chin, could get under Chang's hooks and throw his own shots.

I fear the first round is a Hagler-Hearns-esque explosion, with both men walking straight into each other. Chang never wastes as oppurtunity to fire off at an opponents, and Perez looked for opportunities to land his own bombs.

A very interesting fact is that both men dropped in and out of orthodox and southpaw in order to make their attacks more unpredictable (That is what it seems to me anyway)

For this tournament I've been going with the younger Chang conceding a few pounds. I see the older, undoubtedly more experienced but less dedicated Chang going down via stoppage. He could be dropped and hurt around this time and I think Perez, who was in his prime here would take advantage of Chang's more thoughtful approach (he seemed to put more into his shots more than outright swarming, probably due his knowing that he lacked stamina due to his lifestyle)

The younger Chang, undoubtedly came at you at a faster pace, and has disregard for his opponents style. (Pater said Chang seemed, and I'm paraphrasing again 'went through styles') However Perez would give him food for thought and would force Chang to keep the fight at mid-range. I think Chang could prosper here, peppering Perez with shots and being more calculated in his approach, using his quick head movement to evade Perezs shots.

However, I go for the more exciting version. Chang will come out strong and I think the first few rounds will be a slobberknocker. I say Chang takes these using his own strength and workrate to overwhelm Perez, who doesn't get hurt much at all.

In the middle rounds, Perez uses his cagey and awkward outside work to miss Chang's attacks, using his strength to push him away and land his jab. When they attack, they usually meet in the middle and crowd each others work.

As we go into the 10th, Chang has a revival. He gets Perez back on the ropes and causes the small man to use all of his advantesg,finding it easier than Zapata to make Chang miss due to his smaller stature.

Perez I think has been landing with more power shots around this time.

Now, I may even change my prediction and this is why.

I haven't seen the Kingpetch fights, and I'm unsure whether the legitimacy of Perez's opponents seems dubious at certain stages due to them genuinely being sub-standard or due to (and this is what I'm thinking is more likely) incomplete Boxrec records.

So, I have little to no idea what Perez's weaknesses were. And as all the footage I've seen of him is 'highlights' I don't know whether he was erratic and needed to pull things back with K.O's or whatnot (from what I've read he seems to have been good in a lotof areas though, and his long undefeated streak lends air to the idea he was as damn good a Flyweight as you can get) One thing I will say is that he seems to be good at slipping shots whilst on the ropes and getting out of range, something which may be key as Chang was an awesome finisher with his opponent against the ropes.

Anyway, here goes. This is going to be borderline blasphemous to some people, but this tournament is all aout controversy Anyone here who knows me will know I've been a massive admier of Chang since I was turned onto him, so I make the following prediction after some deliberation with myself

I say, around the 12th round, Chang, throwing caution to the wind and tiring, is pushed back to the very strong Perez, who unleashes a left-right combo that lays him flat out. This may seem ridiculous considering Chang always showed good punch resistance and powers of recovery right through his career but Perez is a super-puncher amongst Fly's, and I think Chang's approach sees him in the path of something big.

As a fan of Chang it pains me to say it; Perez K.O 12.

Of course, I'll be more than happy to see Jung-Koo progress

 

Flea, how do you see Perez vs Lopez going?

 

Top bit of the post mate :good
here you are;

Perez, whilst short but powerfully built for the weight. I think Lopez would find him hard to time, and as accurate as he was, that in and out trot, quality upper body movement, good chin and two fisted dynamit would see Lopez out of there in a competitive fight. 10th round, something like that.