Back to serious boxing talk - Pacquiao vs the current 140lbs division !!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Solid Chin, Jun 18, 2009.


  1. Beenie

    Beenie Evolve already! Full Member

    19,105
    42
    Apr 12, 2008
    The Hatton and DLH fights have got nothing to do with the fact that JMM has had tremendous problems dealing with Pac's power at 126 and 130. He was rocked by Diaz at 135 who is not considered to be a big puncher at the weight. Meanwhile Pac has really settled into his weight and Roach himself has spoken about his increased power. JMM may very well be the better boxer but imo wouldn't have a chance to outbox Pac the next time around.
     
  2. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

    3,953
    0
    Oct 30, 2008
    ok, Im gonna play devils advocate for a minute.
    If Pac fights Cotto at this supposed catchweight and gets his ass whooped bad will you still be supporting Pac to beat these guys at 140lbs or will you be changing your tune all of a sudden.

    You see nobody really knows how good Pac will fear against stylistic knightmares which would be a slick fighter, i.e. Mayweather and I am going to go on record right now and tell you that Mayweather would make Pacquiao look real bad and that is just my opinion in the same way you seem to think campbell and bradley and any other 140 fighter doesn't really stand much of a chance but I feel that Mayweather would school Manny to the point where people would come on here the next day with about 10,000 excuses as to why their boy lost the fight. That's ESB for you. People jump on the bandwagon of the man who is winning and as soon as he loses, according to ESB he was garbage anyway...
     
  3. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

    3,953
    0
    Oct 30, 2008
    I wouldn't mind seeing a tournament and I understand the money angle and it is sad that money dictates the fights that take place so as far as the best fighting the best, sometimes there is a bit of a misconception there.
     
  4. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

    3,953
    0
    Oct 30, 2008
    Marquez has a shaky defense though and he has great counter punching ability but his defense is a bit flawed so as far as him dealing with Pac that will always be a factor that works against him.

    Campbell has a good defense and he wont get hit with stupid punches like the one that knocked out Hatton so forget Campbell's age, its skills that wins fight and Campbell was drained for the Funeka fight from trying to make weight so he was functioning at only 30% and it showed and if you want evidence Ill give you evidence.

    I think that money as I stated before stops the real fights from happening.
    If this were pre 1950's these guys would have no choice but to fight everybody and not pick and choose based on stylistic advantages.
     
  5. Guidokz

    Guidokz Classic Psycho Full Member

    2,154
    0
    Apr 6, 2009
    are you some kind of promoter or something?

    i will always support pac win or lose and i'll give any fighter his props if they beat him depending on the fashion of how he was beaten..

    only one thing i can assure you, if ever pacman loses a fight, you better expect that he'll come back hard..
     
  6. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

    3,953
    0
    Oct 30, 2008
    Im not a promoter I am a fellow boxer, amateur at the moment over in London.

    I like talking boxing because I have always been involved in the sport in some way or another but I do know that specific match ups will never happen due to promoters saying hell no to certain fighters. i.e. when top rank turned down a fight to put pac in with campbell before he started all this weight jumping.

    If Pac loses it all depends on how he loses because it only takes 1 fight to ruin a fighter and I mean a savage beat down type of a fight.
     
  7. Beenie

    Beenie Evolve already! Full Member

    19,105
    42
    Apr 12, 2008
    I'm a big Nate fan and was actually at that fight. Maybe the weight had something to do with him fatiguing late but he only managed to cut down to 138 if I'm not mistaken so it's not like he could have been too drained. His age also shouldn't be dismissed.
     
  8. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

    3,953
    0
    Oct 30, 2008
    I here you bro but listen to Nate himself tell you about his troubles before the fight.

    This was actually a very good radio show, listen to it if you have time.

    http://audioam.blogtalkradio.com/show_528518.mp3

    Forward it to 58 Mins
     
  9. Beenie

    Beenie Evolve already! Full Member

    19,105
    42
    Apr 12, 2008
    I'll listen tomorrow and reply with my thoughts. I'm going to bed now. Peace.
     
  10. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

    3,953
    0
    Oct 30, 2008
    Laterz :good
     
  11. Guidokz

    Guidokz Classic Psycho Full Member

    2,154
    0
    Apr 6, 2009
    i respect floyd's skill as a fighter, i could even go as far as praising it..

    it is actually ok for me that he's fighting jmm because i consider jmm a very skilled fighter but the fact that he never faced his top competition at WW, i'll never respect his way of picking his opponents which obviously he has all the advantages instead of fighting dangerous fights with mosely, cotto, margarito, williams etc. or even berto that might show his greatness..

    eventhough i consider floyd's skill as rare and a great one, he as a fighter will never be great IMO as long as he doesn't face his toughest competitions out there..
     
  12. scatterbrain

    scatterbrain Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,867
    0
    Dec 7, 2008
    :deal:deal:deal
     
  13. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

    3,953
    0
    Oct 30, 2008
    I would like to see Floyd fight

    JMM
    Winner of Pac vs Cotto
    Mosley before he gets old
    Margarito when and if he comes back
    Williams - I think Williams beats him decisively.

    I think Mayweather beats Pac or Cotto and Mosley because Mosley looks confused against the boxer type style, i.e. Forrest, Winky... but Mosley would catch him with punches I believe and I think that fight is a top fight and Mosley could definitely do it

    I think Mayweather would stylistically on paper be the favourite to UD Margarito but I think Margarito can get to him but this would of been Margarito around the time he fought Cotto and I dont know about now. He's been in too many slugfests so its going to catch up with him one day.

    Williams beats him handily too much workrate, too much reach advantage.
    For Mayweather to beat him he would have to do what Quintana did and he wont because Williams was having an off night and he came back and starched quintana in the rematch
     
  14. Guidokz

    Guidokz Classic Psycho Full Member

    2,154
    0
    Apr 6, 2009
    hopefully mayweather realizes that what you're saying will definitely lift him from this torment and listens to your wishful thinking..

    But i doubt it..:verysad
     
  15. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

    4,499
    10
    May 8, 2006
    so arum gets more......