Bad counts in Big Fights

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  1. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A lot of people complaining recently that Fury received a long count against Wilder. (I thought the count was fine and this was a manufactured crisis to help Wilder save face) but it got me thinking. What are some bad counts you’ve seen in big fights- where you thought the count was too slow or two fast?
    I’ll start - I thought the count in Tyson vs Buster Mathis Jr was insanely fast against Mathis Jr. and that it robbed him of what was turning into a very game performance on his part. Frank Capucino was the ref and I always liked his work but I think he rushed the call in that one
     
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    Oops meant Big fights
     
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  4. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nigel Benn vs Gerald McCellan 1st rd. A Classic war that changed boxing forever and sadly a fight remembered for the wrong reasons.
     
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  5. The Long Count

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    Thanks
     
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    Both Corbett-Fitzsimmons and Dempsey-Tunney II had long count controversies, but in both I think they could have gotten up sooner, and just took as much time as they could.
     
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    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is probably not right for the subject matter of 'big fights' but when it comes to an erroneous count I am oft reminded of the heavyweight 10 rounder between Lance Whitaker and Lou Savarese which was televised. In the 4th Whitaker drops Lou and referee Steve Smoger - wearing a microphone - is clearly heard saying "6, 7, 8....come on, get up" to Lou. Lou got up when prompted and went on to win the fight. I don't think he would have made it without prompting and this is where the problem lies. The ref is supposed to be impartial, so I always had a problem with this one.
     
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  8. The Funny Man 7

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    Adonis Stevenson vs. Anthony Bonsante was one of the most egregious examples of a referee pointlessly stopping a fight halfway through the count.

    Antonio Tarver tried to stir up controversy in the second Jones fight, saying the ref, I think Kenny Bayliss, really took his time getting to ten. Personally the count seemed fine to me.
     
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  9. janitor

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    The concept of the long count, is one of the biggest pieces of nonsense in boxing.

    There is no rule or formality that a count has to be ten seconds, there never has been, and there never will be unless there is a major technological breakthrough.

    The count is a test of the boxers ability to respond to the referees verbal commands, as they are stated to him personally.
     
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    Lots of bad counts compared here, Joe Cortez was the master of the long count
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  11. Jay1990

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    Ali - Foreman
    The referee went from the count of 7 to 10... And skipped 8 & 9
     
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  12. NoNeck

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    It was a 20 count because Benn fell out of the ring.
     
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  13. The Long Count

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    The Foreman count always seemed to miss a number to me as well I thought Foreman got shorted but couldn’t tell if it was just not synched properly
     
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  14. NoNeck

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    Ali-Liston 2 was despicable.
     
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  15. The Long Count

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    I have an issue with quick counts like Mathis vs Tyson. Mathis clearly was getting up and willing to continue. That count robbed him of that chance
     
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