Bad feelings about what happened to Big Nog tonight.

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by horst, Dec 10, 2011.


  1. horst

    horst Guest

    First of all, it's just sad to see an all-time great suffer a bad loss and sustain an injury. Nog has always been a brave, teak-tough, brilliant fighter, and it's really sad to see his great record of never being submitted go up in smoke this evening.

    Obviously he is a far poorer fighter now than he was in his prime so it's no slight on his peak BJJ abilities that he got submitted in his current state, but it's still always sad when an old great suffers the loss they never wanted to suffer.


    Second of all, I consider myself a bit of a Frank Mir fan. I've always liked his skillset and his personality, but I was not at all impressed by him tonight. Aside from almost getting knocked out by a borderline shot Nogueira, I believe he could easily have got the submission without breaking Nog's arm. I believe he wanted the notoriety again that he got after snapping Sylvia's limb and he wanted to punish Nog, seeing as Nog is thought of as the best hw BJJ fighter ever and because Nog complained about not being at 100% last time they fought.

    He had a 20lbs weight advantage on Nogueira, he had the submission locked in, there was no need to break the bone. He more or less admitted trying to go for the break in the postfight interview when he said "I trained for that".

    Not impressed at all. It was unnecessary. The UFC can ****ing forget about getting licensed in New York now, with guys trying to break each others' arms and no-one seeming to give a ****! :-(

    I still like Mir as a fighter, but this leaves a bad taste. I hope Nog retires now, he is a stone-cold ATG, has had an amazing career, and is more of a fighter than Frank Mir will ever, ever be.
     
  2. Anarchy99

    Anarchy99 Babalu will KILL You! Full Member

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    Big Nog has a high thresh hold for pain... I think Mir did what he had to do. I didn't like the fact that he come in dry and cold. He looked tight.
     
  3. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I think Mir is a more versatile striker than Nogueira, and I think Mir has an advantage in power. I still contend Nogueira's edge in boxing is enough for me to consider him the better stand up fighter. I don't consider boxing to be the better stand up style, I just think Nogueira is better at finding his range and capitalizing. Mir fought Zombie Nog in the first fight, and caught Nogueira backing up in a straight line.

    As far as the breaking of the arm goes, it was necessary. Nogueira would not have tapped otherwise. I thought it was going to happen whan Mir first went for it. Nogueira surprised me with the roll, but I knew it would happen when Mir wound up on top. I didn't think Nogueira would tap at all, and he didn't until you saw his arm snap.

    An opponent not tapping to a kimura is the same as an opponent not tapping to a choke. Opponents that fail to tap for a choke go unconscious. Fighters that fail to tap to a kimura end up with something broken.
     
  4. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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  5. LHL

    LHL Captain Freedom Full Member

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    He had to do it Nog wasn't tapping he had that locked in and extended to breaking point for a few seconds and Nog wasn't even thinking about it. Don't even think he tapped after it snapped. Even with Nog you can't give him a millimeter in those locks or he would of found a way out. Mir did what he had to do. Unfortunate because Nog looked great before and I think should of stopped it with the GNP
     
  6. demzor

    demzor Active Member Full Member

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  7. demzor

    demzor Active Member Full Member

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    It's no secret that Frank goes for broke.. so to speak.. once he has a limb.

    If you don't want it broke.. tap.


    GSP could learn from Frank Mir.
     
  8. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    This could end Nogueira's career. Sad to see it end this way but it is somewhat poetic that he go out to a nice submission.
     
  9. shanemfr

    shanemfr Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mir looked like a shot fighter in the stand up he has no movement with the extra weight.
     
  10. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    Too bad Nog had all his excuses last time it would have saved him a broken arm, Now mir was the first guy to ktfo and sub him. Karma goes a long way and Nog got what he deserved, but mir was lucky to not get finished himselfm like people above said he came in cold and stiff and was lucky Nog went for the choke, he could have kept punching for the finish
     
  11. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    This isn't ringette, every submission is a possible arm break and until nog taps(which he never had until tonight) you don;t give up on it.
    are you that naive?
     
  12. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    Nog is a certified BAD ASS! He didnt tap until Mir Broke his ****ing arm... Brock is still Mir's daddy!
     
  13. Ne5ville14

    Ne5ville14 Rationalist by default... Full Member

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    Nog should have sitcked to G'n'P...he would have TKOED Mir !
     
  14. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    I felt that the Ref somewhat cost Nog this fight. Nog was pummeling Mir and the ref kept saying "watch theback of the head" repeatedly wtf???

    So the natural reaction was to stop, when it was obvious that the shots were to the side of the head and Mir was trying to block it with the back of his head. That fight could have been over.

    Anyway, great showing by Mir on the ground, I ve always thought him as one of the best pre accident and hes never lost it.
     
  15. Tuffnutz

    Tuffnutz ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Frank Mir was done in this fight.

    Nog should have done what everyone else who's hurt Mir have done and just beat him up with strikes until he goes to sleep. :patsch

    I don't know if Nog wanted to make a statement by submitting Mir? :patsch

    Tremendous comeback and brutal sub by Mir. :shock: