Bad Moments from Great Boxers

No one is trying to destroy the legacies of the old-timers!

The greats from 100 (or more) years ago were just that - greats in their own time. They rose to the top in a different era, and I don't see how you can ask for more than that. Being the best at what you do in your own time, makes you a bit special - and for that you deserve respect and not belittlement.

Where things start to go wrong, is when we compare boxers from different eras. There are some posters here who seem to insist, that the old-timers could more than hold their own with the modern boxers... and then there are those who don't believe this is realistic. Isn't it possible, that the latter group is simply expressing an honest opinion - which just happens to conflict with yours?

And what is this about Burt not being able to get a word in here (post#15)? He has more than 9.000 posts here on Classic, singing the praises of (mainly) Dempsey, Greb, Louis and the boxers from his time - but I have yet to see anyone telling him to shut the **** up! Of course not everybody shares his opinions, but that doesn't mean he's not allowed to have them, or that they are "wrong". I for one don't agree with Burt re the outcome of a Louis-Ali fantasy fight. He is adamant, that sooner or later Louis would catch up to Ali and put him away... whereas I believe Ali would most likely take it on points, or maybe even stop Louis late in the fight. None of us is "right" of course, and both opinions should be respected, IMO.

But then again, there are clearly posters here on Classic who are completely immune to any reasonable argument, that goes against their own beliefs. And now one of them feels the need to put out a warning against these "disingenuous" people. Jesus!

 

It's hilarious the way he's jumping up, both feet leaving the ground while he's swinging that left. If you think that's a good sequence... As Grantland Rice described Galento's style, he's throwing a left swing, if he misses it, he's following with right swing in the same direction. End. Repeat.

 

I hate to break it to you, but they did.

 

What would be wrong with threads exposing some of Tyson's limitations or the exaggerations of his most passionate fan-boys? I see a ton of exaggerations and misinformation posted about Marciano, his attributes, his power, his skills, and his fights in this forum, and I like to think my clips help challenge some of the conventional wisdom.

 

Ridiculous exaggeration. I do no such thing.

And people here give Burt a ton of respect 95 percent of the time. Your real objection must be that we don't all defer obediently every time he bases an opinion based on his nostalgic recollection of things he saw 70 years ago.

 

I've seen other boxers do that, but I would never have picked such examples as "good moments" for those boxers.

 

Pointing out he's wrong on so many of his allegations, is not hate. If somebody said, I don't know, McGovern beat Gans in 1901 (burt never said such thing, but I'm just explaining what it's about), and is corrected that it was in 1900, that's not hating. He does a lot of such factual errors, and doesn't take it too kindly when anybody corrects him.

 

I'm talking about best moments showing class/level/greatness of boxer, like showing it to somebody and telling them, see, that's why that boxer was great. When a boxer does ridiculously wrong/crude things, that is not showing his class.