Bag work essential?

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by tai chi, Dec 12, 2015.


  1. tai chi

    tai chi Member Full Member

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    DW says to plant your heels when you punch and he's right. so what is the need for bag work?
     
  2. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    You can't put records being broken multiple times down to better equipment. What about the person using the equipment?
     
  3. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True, but theres more people in athletics taking part in the last 40 years, where in Boxing there is less.
     
  4. Brixton Bomber

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    Is there?

    but what about the reverse - If a record still stands and the equipment as well as the athlete has improved, why hasn't the record been broken?
     
  5. scrap

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    Example, you have lost me.
     
  6. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    In a lot of sports, the sport's remained very similar while drugs, nutrition etc may have improved i.e. 100 metres, tennis etc. However boxing has gotten easier. Yes, you COULD argue things have improved but the actual competition has gotten easier. There are less rounds, bigger gloves, softer refs and more importantly the increase in belts and the sport getting less mainstream has seen almost a total deterioration in competition. Can a titlist really be held in the same regard as those from the pre-50's?

    Armstrongs multiple titles, Louis's 25 title defences, Ali's 3 time world champion status cannot be compared today due to all the above reasons.
     
  7. scrap

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    Please tell me, how do you move with the heels on the ground, Im puzzled.
     
  8. tai chi

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    Go over DW's posts and ask yourself how can you punch hard without the heels being on the ground.
     
  9. im sparticus

    im sparticus There Ye Go. Full Member

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    Eccentric contraction is not good for strength, what makes you say that.
     
  10. Adybrrady

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    In my opinion it is clear that punching hard is a combination of physics and human biomechanics/ physiology. Increased surface area increases stability and therefore balance, prerequisites to punching hard

    I have seen the technique of amateurs, where they lift their heels of the lead leg while throwing a left hook from the orthodox stance. In my opinion this technique decreases stability and balance, therefore reducing the power of the punch.

    In my opinion the mass over the lead leg should be distributed evenly over the entire surface of the lead foot, this will give maximum balance and stability when a punch is released.
     
  11. Adybrrady

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    Machines only train muscles in one plane and direction therefore the muscle is only strong in that plane and direction. Boxing is free flowing and muscles therefore need to be strong in all planes and directions.

    I think fighters using machines, training their muscles in one plane and direction, leads to them becoming more rigid, less flexible and therefore less effective as a fighter.
     
  12. tai chi

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    That's what my trainer said to, more surface=better stability.
     
  13. tai chi

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    Ady equation of stability is with the lead heel down, therefore it's indicative that s****'s stance has poor stability since both heels are up. Myboxingcoach.com Fran sands is in the uk and is a known amateur coach, unlike s**** who isn't. Fran keeps both heels down. This works in amateur boxing.
     
  14. Adybrrady

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    Amateur boxers tend to bounce about on the ***** of their feet, I feel this is in contradiction to the natural movement of the foot. As a consequence over time the heels of the fighter regress through a lack of contact with a surface. Furthermore natural stability and strength of the feet is lost, I feel?
     
  15. scrap

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    What gives the body stability, is the position of the head in relation to the feet, simple.