Bag work essential?

Strange that all or most of the top pros, were top amateurs. Also if the heel is on the floor the TFL isnt engaged,so youve got a big problem with the posterior chain. Your post after, makes a lot of sense by the way.

 

I was repeating the stupid comments in that thread.

 

What idiotic fighters use machines for resistance training?

 

Idiots that employ ex bodybuilders as S&C coaches.

 

I want to ask why were Heavyweight boxers able to box for 15 rounds and now boxers struggle to box 12 rounds.
The conditioning of the boxers were so good back then. I am not saying every boxers had great condition but they were boxing for 15 rounds and the fights were entertaining.

 

What do you mean by boxers struggle with 12 rounds today, they look tired and slow down? I'm fairly sure the boxers 100 years ago were tired and slow by the 12th round, they just carried on to complete exhaustion which is pointless and counter productive to any athlete, hence the 12 round limit.

How did you work this out? I could box for 20 rounds like back in the day. Does that make me elite?

How many fights that you've watched for a full 20 rounds were constant action with no dancing around the ring to recover?

People talk like these old time boxers were so elite with amazing conditioning which just isn't the case.

 

I got u now mate. Spot on!

 

Yeah, it's evolved from Louis to Fury! Is Fury better technically? Get your coat.

 

Boxers forgot what they were trying to achieve. In a search for strength and power they have sacrificed stamina. Technical adjustments will make much bigger strength and power gains then any strength and conditioning work.

 

So true. We've gone from Joe Louis to Tyson Fury. Even if you say Wlad, Wlad to all intents and purposes is a poor mans Joe Louis. Louis was similar in his mastery of timing, range, efficiency etc, he was just a lot better!

The reality is, a lot of them are just bigger in height and/or width so people immediately see better.

Height of Sanders and Brewster who ko'd Wlad - 6'2/3. Same as Ali, Louis etc.

Height of McCall and Rahman who ko'd Lewis - same as above.

Bigger is not better, if anything it means worse. The only reason big guys are doing well is because the small guys are ****e too.

 

I'd pick cruisers that are Louis' size like Holyfield, Haye and Usyk to outbox and to out-athletic Joe Louis. Louis would be a journeyman cruiser weight today. Fury is in a different division.

 

How do you figure that stamina has been sacrificed? When you are throwing with power you are doing more work, that is the measurement for power. When fights were 15 rounds you witnessed slower, less athletic guys who needed to take rounds off to pace themselves for the distance.
If we shortened championship fights to 8 rounds or less the quality of the athletes and the fighters would improve further.

 

Generally, the focused has changed to muscle, strength, size and power rather than conditioning and fitness. Yes, you do sometimes pace yourself more over 15 rounds but they had second winds whereas a lot fighters now just gas and then it's a wrap.

 

You can't separate those things from conditioning and fitness. If a fighter performs more work over the course of a fight (due to throwing with greater power, more often) and appears more tired than the guy who paces himself, throws lighter punches throughout the whole fight (and less total work), can you really say the former has stamina problems? They've simply performed at a higher intensity.
Less rounds, more power, larger size = higher intensity. In the heavyweight division it is size, strength and power that is going to make more of a difference to winning and losing; than being the best at being slow for a long time.