Bag work essential?

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by tai chi, Dec 12, 2015.


  1. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Additionally the scientific literature shows that stronger individuals are more efficient movers, expending less energy for the same movement. Even long distance runners benefit greatly from strength work, so what do you think the importance of it in a contact sport with no weight limit is? Being stronger and more powerful is part of endurance/stamina, if you ignore strength and power training then you're just training to be poor for a long time. Improve your quality.
     
  2. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Strength and power are the result of technique but sadly coaching is dying so people think that strength work will give you these physical qualities - it won't.

    There is only so much time in the day. There isn't enough time for weights to become a priority but sadly it has - the focus should be on technique.

    There is a place for strength work but the balance in this day and age is completely wrong. This is why fighters try to gain advantages through methods such as huge weight cuts. ANOTHER thing that hurts a fighters stamina.
     
  3. scrap

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    Good post, its all about getting the balance right, in all ways. Do both at the same time, with thought it can be done.
     
  4. tai chi

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    But does bag work actually strengthen the posterior chain?
     
  5. scrap

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    What do you think.
     
  6. dealt_with

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    You need strength, power and technique obviously. The stronger you are the less demanding the movements are on your brain, that means skills/technique is easier to learn. Strength underpins power, having stronger connective tissue also prevents injury and increases efficiency of movement (so stamina as well).
    Having good technique isn't going to magically give you strength.
     
  7. dealt_with

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    Stability and balance are two different things.
     
  8. scrap

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    So you can have one without the other, stood up.
     
  9. Adybrrady

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    It is my opinion that people who say perfection can not be achieved are the ones that do not know what perfection is and therefore do not know how to achieve perfection.

    It is also my opinion that running, skipping, weight training, circuit traing and pad work are all forms of exercise that are damaging to a fighters body. Overtime the injuries caused by these exercises will make sure a fighter no longer boxes.

    Furthermore, all the exercises described are one directional, one plane square on exercises,
    boxing is a side on sport!
     
  10. tai chi

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    Andy the only thing that I've witnessed from skipping is shin splints and muscular atrophy from distance running look at most marathon runners. To me pad work is unnatural and ppl will reverse to their natural fighting stance. This comes from Freddie Roach who I train with when in L.A. Freddie says that he tried to teach the shell to vitaly klitschko by having him turn his chin in as the punch came in, however vitaly reverted back to his natural fighting stance. In your opinion is weight training a waste of time since strength Is set.
     
  11. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Technique gives you much more practical strength and power gains then any amount of weights.
     
  12. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Perfection is unachievable full time. In an isolated movement you could almost achieve it. In the pursuit of perfection then you'll get as close to it as humanly possible. The very (erratic) nature of fighting makes perfection unachievable. Fatigue, damage, injury and an incompatible opponent etc are all reasons why constant perfect technical execution is not achieved.
     
  13. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    You do no such thing.
     
  14. tai chi

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    Here's what Freddie told me Greys how he tried to train Vitaly. See the right cross coming for your chin and turn inward to the right, but it didn't work. Anyway before the qualifiers in Buenos Aires my coach has promised to send me to Able Sanchez's chin to learn about planting my lead heel to throw hooks, I'm a brawler who can take a shot. Weldon's hooks were weak and as much as I like Freddie I want to learn the Mexican style. Since I like coming forward and out working my opponent. Then off to Goosen so I've gotta learn quick.
     
  15. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    This is the all-time classic post. Utter nonsense but classic.