Please read, it will only take 3 minutes. I'm not in any way questioning the ability of the entire US boxing board of officials, but I do absolutely question their ablility to impartially score a fight involving a US American and a foreigner. In the UK or Germany or Japan or South Africa or Canada and everywhere else judges for major international fights are international or at worst each fighter has one countryman scoring. Now can you imagine 3 Germans scoring a Felix Sturm fight with a German ref? 4 Canadians handling a Bute or Pascal fight? Things in the US however are more complicated than you'd think bacause the atheltic system has a huge flaw. Each boxing official must be licenced in the given state to be able to score or ref a fight, let's say to be appointed to Williams-Lara, each judge must be licenced by the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board. Theoretically anyone from New Jersey to Salt Lake City to Papua New Guinea to E.T. can get a Jersey licence, but the Commission will prefer licencing local officials and appointing local officials for the same reasons promoters do: a lot cheaper to buy a metro ticket over an international flight. Theoretically a New Jersey judge is not better or worse than one from Australia, but in an American arena, under an American promotion with an American crowd chanting for an American fighter vs. a non-American, no American judge can remain completely impartial. Or German in a German atmosphere, or Canadian in Canada etc. The Association of Boxing Commissions therefore needs a permanent ban for US judges for fights involving a US American and a foreign fighter, it's been DECADES since other countries implemented and are paying (trip expenses) for international judges, athletic commossions in the US should wake the **** up and realize it's the 21st century. Until then promoters should simply aviod suspect states who thank tax and fee incomes and "help" to get big promoters back for another show, but the problem is right there: Dan Goossen will die before giving up control over judges, just look at the Andre Ward situation in Oakland. Therefore the ABC needs a ruling. Of course bad decisions happen even with international judges, but the way things are in the US it's FAR WORSE than in most other countries who at least try to remain impartial with fair judge selection. The ABC has to act fast because US boxing is ever losing ground, and don't be surprised to see people not showing up anymore, they came to see a fair winner not some local guy winning NO MATTER WHAT. And promoters, state commissions and many others are deep in this ****, so it's ****ing time to start cleaning up.
Too expensive for a sport whose infrastructure is based around corner cutting. Agreed on robberies starting to sour crowds though. Tired of seeing "**** boxing" posts and comments after this **** happens. makes me sad.
How can a Thai promoter pay for an international set fo judges and an American can't? The state athletic system is the one with the flaw, promoters are just not too keen to demand a change, after all they benefit from it.
True, although you'd have thought the GBP prospect would get the decision over a Goossen fighter on his way out if it was solely based on boxing clout.
It was a Dan Goossen promotion, Golden Boy was not involved in the judge selection. Remember the hilarious 119-109 score for Williams after the first Martinez fight? It was also a Jersey judge, same building, same Goossen promoted show.
Agreed on many fronts. I wouldn't mind the refs and 1 judge being American, but the way things are going lately, it looks really bad.
Maybe one but I prefer international judges for international fights. Any fight between US fighters or even two non-US fighters can still be judged by American officials, no problem, but whenever there an American and foreigner involved, international set of officials should be mandatory. It's not asking too much, just what's aleady been implemented in other countries.
ban judging period.. go back to the roman days when people would fight till they got tired or couldn't go on..
This is not abour judge's nationality, but about the promotor's strength. If promotors have enough money, they can get the decision wherever they want and with judges from foreign countries.
Maybe so, but at the end of the day a larger pool of judges particularly ones from a different continent are always harder to win over. Stay in Atlantic City with the local officials, and the Pierre Benoists will keep turning up. Like I said, take out all the promotional influence and an American scoring an American vs. foreigner fight will always be questionable. I understand your argument but it doesn't make my point invalid: international officials for international fights, that's the ONLY acceptable way and other countries already accepted that. Time for a change in the US or these things will keep happening with the same regularity and intensity. Fact reamains: Pierre Benoist is from New Jersey so were the 3 scoring against Lara.
a good judge is a good judge what does it matter where hes from? in europe they have mostly international judges and still there are even more robberies, hometown giftdecisions etc than in the US.. once it happens the Yanks start threads on here about how someone again got robbed in Europe and then the euro posters regularly come on and point out that the most terrible judge was actually an american so its not their fault.. Many of those who judge fights in Thailand do actually live there because of the cheap chicks or for one or another reason..
American refs are very good....In Germany it is a American/PĂ´rto Rican or Belgium ref mostly for international fights...and mostly for Championship fights. The Germans have no problem with an Amerian ref and an American fighter.